From erickson@math.ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Erickson erickson@math.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] PPP Weirdness I dial-up to Bruin Online via modem and the Red Hat PPP Dialer, but I notice that it always has to dial twice before I get a connection. Does anyone else have this problem, and does anyone know how I can fix it? [(] Stephen Erickson [)] erickson@stat.ucla.edu [(] http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~erickson/ From mfasheh Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:45:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:45:16 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] PPP Weirdness Are you using plain RedHat 6.1? There's a problem with ppp/wvdial in it, you can download the fixes at: http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh61-errata-general.html On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 01:32:54PM -0700, Stephen Erickson wrote: > I dial-up to Bruin Online via modem and the Red Hat PPP Dialer, but I > notice that it always has to dial twice before I get a connection. Does > anyone else have this problem, and does anyone know how I can fix it? > > [(] Stephen Erickson > [)] erickson@stat.ucla.edu > [(] http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~erickson/ > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:05:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:05:50 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Win2000 On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT), said Dimi Shahbaz : >You brought up a very thorny topic, since comparisons between the two can >be made on many levels, many of them subjective. Luckily, you narrowed >it down to web servers. Direct your freind to: > >http://www.netcraft.com/survey/ > >Despite the Microsftian propoganda machine, Apache has remained the >dominant web server (in fact, it has only gotten more popular!) at 61% of >the market. This can't be for no reason, or "hype", as your freind >would probably say. > >I know, I know, a site running apache does not mean its running linux, >but a lot of them are. The more important idea to take away from the web >server comparisons, I think, is that open source software /can/ be >superior in quality to closed source. And this is at the very heart of >what Microsoft, and people like your freind, dispute most! (I hope >that's not too offtopic). > >This post could have been a lot longer, with many clever misspellings >of "Microsoft", but I'm trying very hard to show some restraint. :) > >HTH, >Dimi Well, I'd also like to bring up the point about interoperability under Linux and most other Unix-ish. For example, Linux was (among?) the first to be able to read ALL of the filesystems created(?) by Microsoft: FAT12 FAT16 FAT32 VFAT extension (Windows LFN) NTFS W95: unable to read NTFS, early ones unable to read FAT32. W98: unable to read NTFS. NT4: unable to read FAT32 until way after Linux did. W2K*: probably all those now, but WAY after Linux did back in ... 97? 98?. I have a single PII/266 in the CSUA lounge running Debian GNU/Linux Potato being a web server, ftp server, SMB server, AFP (AppleShare) server, NFS server, print server (across Unix LPD, SMB, and AppleTalk), XDMCP server, an ethernet bridge, and a dumb terminal server. These were all standard packages; all part of the stock Linux kernel (read: available by default - no hunting on the web). Serving twenty machines. Holds up nicely, except the shortage of RAM gets to be a bother when I'm compiling stuff on it. At the opposite end of the software load spectrum, the router+firewall is a K6/233 with 64MB RAM running Red Hat 6.1. Being the frugal admin I am (*cough*cough*), I killed off all unecessary services... such as GUI, file serving, printing capabilities, etc. It's routing 100baseT network for the 20 machines mentioned above. It gets bored. Even heavy traffic doesn't push the CPU load past 30%. I'd love to use it in the compile farm, except I have security issues to worry about. What was I rambling about?.... oh yeah. Interoperability. Portability. Apache also runs on a ****load of OS's. Heck, Apache has even been ported to Windows NT (but with much difficulty; iirc, something about looks-like-but-isn't POSIX subsystem in NT). I have yet to see MS-IIS run on anything but Windows. Although Apache isn't Linux-specific, I'm just ragging on MS here ;) (Here's something that blew me away: Apache under MacOS. MacOS X also, but that's expected.) Hrmm... maybe I'll start rambling in reply to the original post now... -Fred From larva@lillith.mit.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K It seems to me that Linux gives one a much greater choice in terms of WHICH web server a potential user would like to use. About the ONLY two web servers that I know of which do not run on Linux (AFAIK) are: WebStar - the old MacOS-based server Netscape's ole' server- I haven't heard any news about it in a long time Other than that, there are lots of open source web servers out there, including Apache (most well-known web server) and AOLServer. How many other platforms can make such claims? Certainly NOT Win2K. Also, I'd like to point out that support costs for the upgrade to Win2K are significant- considering all of the broken software generated by the latest OS from Redmond, I'm glad I use predominantly Linux software. I'm sure this point is relevant when it comes to running commercial web servers under Win2K. From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:40 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K It is my understanding that Apache runs on Win2k, at least it did on NT. IIS certainly does not run under Linux, and it is not a bad webserver by any means. So if you have time/money invested in asp you cannot easily switch to Linux. However, as Apache runs under all common OSes, servlets or jsp can still be used under Win2k. If money is an issue, Win2k is more expensive by far, however its much easier to configure than a Linux based solution. I do not know anything about performance. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Matt Helsley > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 4:07 PM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K > > > It seems to me that Linux gives one a much greater choice in terms of > WHICH web server a potential user would like to use. About the ONLY two > web servers that I know of which do not run on Linux (AFAIK) are: > WebStar - the old MacOS-based server > Netscape's ole' server- I haven't heard any news about it in a long time > > Other than that, there are lots of open source web servers out there, > including Apache (most well-known web server) and AOLServer. How many > other platforms can make such claims? Certainly NOT Win2K. > > Also, I'd like to point out that support costs for the upgrade to Win2K > are significant- considering all of the broken software generated by the > latest OS from Redmond, I'm glad I use predominantly Linux software. I'm > sure this point is relevant when it comes to running commercial web > servers under Win2K. > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:02:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:02:56 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:40 -0700, said "David Braginsky" : >It is my understanding that Apache runs on Win2k, at least it did on NT. IIS >certainly does not run under Linux, and it is not a bad webserver by any >means. So if you have time/money invested in asp you cannot easily switch to >Linux. However, as Apache runs under all common OSes, servlets or jsp can >still be used under Win2k. If money is an issue, Win2k is more expensive by >far, however its much easier to configure than a Linux based solution. I do >not know anything about performance. [snip] Apache does run under NT 4.x. Not every well though; Apache is not optimized under NT. I'm not surprised; many parts of the Windows API are notoriously undocumented. Unlike Linux, where you can dive into the kernel code and see that the "stampede effect" is not healthy for a serious web server... I wouldn't be surprised if Apache fails to run, much less compile, under W2K, since who knows what undocumented featuritis may have cropped up. As for MS ASP, there is 1. An ASP to PHP3 converter. At least PHP3 can also run under IIS. 2. An Apache module to process ASP directly. And I mean Apache/non-MS-OS. As I lack experience wrestling with IIS (no, this is not MS ragging. I had to wrestle with Apache a few times, too), please expound how the configuration of MS IIS done. -Fred From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:41:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:41:59 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K With IIS there are several screens of configuration options, integrated certificate management, and now text config files to edit. Now maybe that is not the best way to fine-tune your server, it's certainly the easiest. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Frederick Lee > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:03 PM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K > > > On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:40 -0700, said "David Braginsky" > : > >It is my understanding that Apache runs on Win2k, at least it > did on NT. IIS > >certainly does not run under Linux, and it is not a bad webserver by any > >means. So if you have time/money invested in asp you cannot > easily switch to > >Linux. However, as Apache runs under all common OSes, servlets or jsp can > >still be used under Win2k. If money is an issue, Win2k is more > expensive by > >far, however its much easier to configure than a Linux based > solution. I do > >not know anything about performance. > [snip] > > Apache does run under NT 4.x. Not every well though; Apache is > not optimized > under NT. I'm not surprised; many parts of the Windows API are > notoriously > undocumented. Unlike Linux, where you can dive into the kernel > code and see > that the "stampede effect" is not healthy for a serious web server... > > I wouldn't be surprised if Apache fails to run, much less > compile, under W2K, > since who knows what undocumented featuritis may have cropped up. > > As for MS ASP, there is > 1. An ASP to PHP3 converter. At least PHP3 can also run under IIS. > 2. An Apache module to process ASP directly. And I mean > Apache/non-MS-OS. > > As I lack experience wrestling with IIS (no, this is not MS > ragging. I had > to wrestle with Apache a few times, too), please expound how the > configuration > of MS IIS done. > > > -Fred > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > With IIS there are several screens of configuration options, integrated > certificate management, and now text config files to edit. Now maybe that is > not the best way to fine-tune your server, it's certainly the easiest. > The configuration issue is an important one. More and more web server admins are everyday managers, and as such, despise xterms and config files. For them, running IIS means having a highly-pretty tabbed configuration dialog that they can point and click with to their hearts' content. Apache has been lacking this, and I ran into some Tk or Athena-based visual config file editors for apache, but, well, they were Tk and Athena-based, which are not that much prettier than an xterm. :) Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? I'm thinking this would make a cool summer project, especially if planned and designed well, maybe even using some cross-platfrom toolkit such as Mozilla's XUL. Making it modular would be key as well, so that Apache module writers could easily and quickly write a little something (xml file?) that would neatly snap into the config file editor as another Tab or something. Please forgive my outload thinking and offtopicness. :) Dimi From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 00:26:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:26:29 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT), said Dimi Shahbaz : > >On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > >> With IIS there are several screens of configuration options, integrated >> certificate management, and now text config files to edit. Now maybe that is >> not the best way to fine-tune your server, it's certainly the easiest. >> >The configuration issue is an important one. More and more web server >admins are everyday managers, and as such, despise xterms and config >files. For them, running IIS means having a highly-pretty tabbed Timeout! I'd say this is more of a job assignment problem than one of software. You have to have an admin admin an admined machine, not a manager. I don't care HOW easy the configuration is; if the configurer has absolutely no idea how a particular web server should be configured and working, no amount of prettification will help. You don't stick a Unix admin to go balance the accounting books, no matter how multiuser the book is. >configuration dialog that they can point and click with to their hearts' >content. Apache has been lacking this, and I ran into some Tk or >Athena-based visual config file editors for apache, but, well, they >were Tk and Athena-based, which are not that much prettier than an >xterm. :) >Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? I'm >thinking this would make a cool summer project, especially if planned and >designed well, maybe even using some cross-platfrom toolkit such as >Mozilla's XUL. Making it modular would be key as well, so that Apache >module writers could easily and quickly write a little something (xml >file?) that would neatly snap into the config file editor as another >Tab or something. I wouldn't mind a GUI configurator for Apache; I would mind if it gives the impression than any clueless Joe Sixpack can sit down and *properly* tune Apache in one sitting. I'm not saying that only "admins" should be using it, just that whoever is should have a *clue* as to what's happening under the hood. If they wanted a very simple personal web server, they've already made a bad judgement call trying to go with Apache. There's a number of other Free web servers much simpler (and less featureful) than Apache, though not as popular. IMNSHO, the GUI should assist in helping speed up the (re)configuration of Apache, but not necessarily replace the text editor. The set of valid keywords in Apache is already complicated enough to even try GUIfying it. > >Please forgive my outload thinking and offtopicness. :) > >Dimi You suggested a viable project. It's on-topic. -Fred From larva@lillith.mit.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 04:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > It is my understanding that Apache runs on Win2k, at least it did on NT. IIS > certainly does not run under Linux, and it is not a bad webserver by any > means. So if you have time/money invested in asp you cannot easily switch to > Linux. However, as Apache runs under all common OSes, servlets or jsp can > still be used under Win2k. If money is an issue, Win2k is more expensive by > far, however its much easier to configure than a Linux based solution. I do > not know anything about performance. > There are at least two different solutions to running ASP on linux. 1) Convert to PHP - scripts exist that will do this automatically, making me wonder why ASPis ever used... 2) Buy a commercial ASP solution (yes, it runs under Linux as I said). I bet this would STILL be cheaper than IIS or many other commercial-only solutions. I object to the idea that IIS is easier to configure than apache. Take the most common distribution of Linux - RedHat. Using the Linuxconf GUI tool I can get apache installed and running in 5 minutes. And it doesn't involve any more Voodoo than simply installing an RPM and then clicking "enable" in Linuxconf. (Of course, just like Win 2K, there is a requisite investment in learning the operating system you are installing under - but this is a common factor to all operating systems and is thus irrelevant.) One other point: the fact that IIS runs under only one operating system is a disadvantage. Customers are then tied to one hardware platform, and even more they are tied to one operating system. As you might imagine, added degrees of freedom are a big bonus to businesses which need to be able to change rapidly - especially in the web industries. This is why I must admit that I find it difficult to understand how anyone could depend on a closed solution like IIS. Anyhow, I should avoid platform advocacy since it tends to make me obsesive- the last time I engaged in such arguments I did not stop arguing for 4 years... no wait... I don't think I've stopped yet. :) L8r. From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 08:18:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:18:02 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K On Mon, 1 May 2000 04:42:12 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > >> It is my understanding that Apache runs on Win2k, at least it did on NT. IIS >> certainly does not run under Linux, and it is not a bad webserver by any >> means. So if you have time/money invested in asp you cannot easily switch to >> Linux. However, as Apache runs under all common OSes, servlets or jsp can >> still be used under Win2k. If money is an issue, Win2k is more expensive by >> far, however its much easier to configure than a Linux based solution. I do >> not know anything about performance. >> > >There are at least two different solutions to running ASP on linux. >1) Convert to PHP - scripts exist that will do this automatically, making >me wonder why ASPis ever used... > >2) Buy a commercial ASP solution (yes, it runs under Linux as I said). I >bet this would STILL be cheaper than IIS or many other commercial-only >solutions. And let's not forget #3, the mojo ad-hackery: ASP under Apache. That would be Apache under non-MS-OS, too. > >I object to the idea that IIS is easier to configure than apache. Take the >most common distribution of Linux - RedHat. Using the Linuxconf GUI tool I >can get apache installed and running in 5 minutes. > And it doesn't involve any more Voodoo than simply installing an >RPM and then clicking "enable" in Linuxconf. (Of course, just like Win 2K, >there is a requisite investment in learning the operating system you are >installing under - but this is a common factor to all operating systems >and is thus irrelevant.) I'm reserving my judgment until I can actually faff around with IIS config. Still, I'd point out that familiarity with software is as much of a factor in ease as pretty faces; especially knowing capabilities, limitations, and hackability. If you can envision large parts of a programming problem in your head in C, a language chock full of syntactic sugar is not going to make things easier. Likewise with seeing LISP and using Pascal. Ad nauseum. > >One other point: the fact that IIS runs under only one operating system is >a disadvantage. Customers are then tied to one hardware platform, and even >more they are tied to one operating system. As you might imagine, added >degrees of freedom are a big bonus to businesses which need to be able to >change rapidly - especially in the web industries. This is why I must >admit that I find it difficult to understand how anyone could depend on a >closed solution like IIS. > >Anyhow, I should avoid platform advocacy since it tends to make me >obsesive- the last time I engaged in such arguments I did not stop >arguing for 4 years... no wait... I don't think I've stopped yet. :) > >L8r. -Fred From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 01 May 2000 10:22:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:22:34 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux vs Windows 2K Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > > Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? Commanche comes with Redhat 5.x, and is a GUI configurator for Apache. It is visual, but pretty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I would agree that Apache needs something better than Commanche, perhaps something like Roxen has. John I'm > thinking this would make a cool summer project, especially if planned and > designed well, maybe even using some cross-platfrom toolkit such as > Mozilla's XUL. Making it modular would be key as well, so that Apache > module writers could easily and quickly write a little something (xml > file?) that would neatly snap into the config file editor as another > Tab or something. From Luis@billingsupport.com Mon, 01 May 2000 13:40:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:40:39 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tutorials or Documents --=====================_21504890==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or some document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . Thank you for all your help out there. Luis At 10:22 AM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? > >Commanche comes with Redhat 5.x, and is a GUI configurator >for Apache. It is visual, but pretty lies in the eyes of >the beholder. > >I would agree that Apache needs something better than >Commanche, perhaps something like Roxen has. > >John > >I'm > > thinking this would make a cool summer project, especially if planned and > > designed well, maybe even using some cross-platfrom toolkit such as > > Mozilla's XUL. Making it modular would be key as well, so that Apache > > module writers could easily and quickly write a little something (xml > > file?) that would neatly snap into the config file editor as another > > Tab or something. > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux --=====================_21504890==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or some document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . Thank you for all your help out there.


Luis

At 10:22 AM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote:
Dimi Shahbaz wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? 

Commanche comes with Redhat 5.x, and is a GUI configurator
for Apache.  It is visual, but pretty lies in the eyes of
the beholder.

I would agree that Apache needs something better than
Commanche, perhaps something like Roxen has.

John

I'm
> thinking this would make a cool summer project, especially if planned and
> designed well, maybe even using some cross-platfrom toolkit such as
> Mozilla's XUL.  Making it modular would be key as well, so that Apache
> module writers could easily and quickly write a little something (xml
> file?) that would neatly snap into the config file editor as another
> Tab or something.

_______________________________________________
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--=====================_21504890==_.ALT-- From chand@usc.edu Mon, 01 May 2000 13:18:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:18:04 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tutorials or Documents http://web.mysql.com/doc.html didnt i already show you this site? Luis wrote: > Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or some document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . Thank you for all your help out there. > > Luis -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From Luis@billingsupport.com Mon, 01 May 2000 14:18:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:18:21 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Thank's David David Chan no i never got the email you sent me . Thanks Luis At 01:18 PM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >http://web.mysql.com/doc.html >didnt i already show you this site? > >Luis wrote: > > > Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or some > document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . Thank you for all > your help out there. > > > > Luis > >-- >-David Chan > >Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. >They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was >built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked >together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started >blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud >crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the >computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There >is now", came the reply. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 01 May 2000 14:54:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:54:20 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tutorials or Documents Luis wrote: > > Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or > some document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . > Thank you for all your help out there. > > Luis Sure. Their web site contains both. I forget whether the tutorial is separate or contained within the manual. John From Luis@billingsupport.com Mon, 01 May 2000 15:09:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:09:03 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tutorials or Documents hey john have a question. How do i create the database, do i do it threw windows machine or threw X windows. and how do i start it . luis At 02:54 PM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >Luis wrote: > > > > Does anyone out there know were i could find a tutorial or > > some document on "MySql" how to install it and set it up . > > Thank you for all your help out there. > > > > Luis > >Sure. Their web site contains both. I forget whether the >tutorial is separate or contained within the manual. > >John > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From larva@lillith.mit.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Mark James Fasheh wrote: > Seriously. A while back, I took a 'tour' of all the free gui e-mail clients I > could find, and they all sucked hard. It seems like everyone and their > mother is writing a gtk+/gnome mail reader, but none of them know how to > make a good one (as if it were that complicated). Anyways, I'm stuck on > mutt at the moment, after being beaten to death with anti-pine propaganda (Leonard! switch over :) > Hello, my name is brain-washed! > --Mark I use pine. I find it easier to use and I have no reason to migrate to mutt. Furthermore, I did look for a GUI mail client but when I discovered how insecure my e-mail transactions would have to be, I decided against it. L8r. From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tutorials or Documents Luis wrote: > > hey john have a question. How do i create the database, do i do it threw > windows machine or threw X windows. and how do i start it . You can do it all in Linux. It is now time for you to read the manual. It explains everything. BTW, is your Shift-Key broken? Your messages would be far easier to read if you used conventional capitalization. Please try to remember to write reader-friendly messages. John From larva@lillith.mit.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Followup to freaky X v.4 problem On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Mark James Fasheh wrote: > hrm. well, I _am_ having problems with X4.0... Sawmill never seems to want > to start up anymore, so I've been using E (ugh). Anyone have *that* > problem? Anyways, I upgraded in order to grab the new drivers for my tnt2, > and might I say that I've been gettting a good 40-45 fps in games like > quake3! Only problem is that my drivers aren't free(speech). Needless to > say, I won't be buying from nvidia anymore.. > --Mark Well, I used XF4.0 for about 4 days then returned to 3.3.5 (yeah, I know 3.3.6 is out...). It seemed pretty good, but I returned to 3.3.5 when I thought it interfered with my ability to Quake III. My current fps is like 8fps using indirect glx on my Matrox G200 at the lowest quality setting. Meanwhile the fps-o-meter under other (admittedly simpler) games is something like 22 fps (gltron for example). My maximum framerate on my Voodoo II was 23 fps on lowest quality settings. Meanwhile my framerate at highest quality was 17.1 fps. Soon I will fix my utah-glx settings so that I can use direct rendering... :?P L8r. From denis@seas.ucla.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 15:24:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:24:28 -0700 From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution Furthermore, I did look for a GUI mail client but when I discovered > how insecure my e-mail transactions would have to be, I decided against what are the differences in security between pine and all of those GUIsh email clients? denis From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Mon, 1 May 2000 15:29:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:29:07 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution --vkEkAx9hr54EJ73W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:24:28PM -0700, Denis wrote: > Furthermore, I did look for a GUI mail client but when I discovered > > how insecure my e-mail transactions would have to be, I decided against >=20 >=20 > what are the differences in security between pine and all of those GUIsh > email clients? None of the GNOME or KDE based clients seem to support PGP/GPG, although I have no idea if that is what the original poster meant. Mutt builds support right in and pine can use helper applications. If one seriously needs a gui and pgp, I suggest using exmh. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --vkEkAx9hr54EJ73W Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5DgUy4U3i4m+7U54RAb8DAJwP6RwkDSLqiP/NBbg/5N50UNDvPACcCWmW Tx1l0SKMsCanT/3wJhHQHFQ= =nUo5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkEkAx9hr54EJ73W-- From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 01 May 2000 15:32:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:32:23 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution Mark James Fasheh wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 01:23:47AM -0700, Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > > Hopefully, Evolution or Magellan will be the first email clients/PIMs for > > *nix that don't suck. > > Seriously. A while back, I took a 'tour' of all the free gui e-mail clients I > could find, and they all sucked hard. It seems like everyone and their > mother is writing a gtk+/gnome mail reader, but none of them know how to > make a good one (as if it were that complicated). Anyways, I'm stuck on > mutt at the moment, after being beaten to death with anti-pine propaganda (Leonard! switch over :) > Hello, my name is brain-washed! > --Mark Mark, What did you find wrong or dislike about xmh? I think it comees with every distribution. It is extremely powerful, and the underlying engine is ultra powerful, and I believe the most powerful available. John From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 01 May 2000 15:47:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:47:39 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution Matt Helsley wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Mark James Fasheh wrote: > > Seriously. A while back, I took a 'tour' of all the free gui e-mail clients I > > could find, and they all sucked hard. It seems like everyone and their > > mother is writing a gtk+/gnome mail reader, but none of them know how to > > make a good one (as if it were that complicated). Anyways, I'm stuck on > > mutt at the moment, after being beaten to death with anti-pine propaganda (Leonard! switch over :) > > Hello, my name is brain-washed! > > --Mark > I use pine. I find it easier to use and I have no reason to migrate to > mutt. Furthermore, I did look for a GUI mail client but when I discovered > how insecure my e-mail transactions would have to be, I decided against > it. > > L8r. Matt, What are the security weaknesses of the xmh mail client? Would running Fetchmail as a MDA get around whatever security weaknesses you found in xmh? John From mfasheh Mon, 1 May 2000 19:07:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:07:23 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Followup to freaky X v.4 problem On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:22:02PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > Well, I used XF4.0 for about 4 days then returned to 3.3.5 (yeah, I know > 3.3.6 is out...). It seemed pretty good, but I returned to 3.3.5 when I > thought it interfered with my ability to Quake III. > My current fps is like 8fps using indirect glx on my Matrox G200 > at the lowest quality setting. Meanwhile the fps-o-meter under other > (admittedly simpler) games is something like 22 fps (gltron for example). Count yourself lucky, X seems to crash for almost all other (than Quake3) openGL apps. And the openGL screensavers flicker alot. I really hope NVIDIA does something about these problems, as well as remove the GPL'd source from their kernel driver! -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From todd@mrball.net Mon, 01 May 2000 21:32:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:32:47 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upcoming SCLUG Event. "Gareth J. Greenaway" wrote: > go to and talk about this particular topic. An example would be a table > for security, anyone interested in talking about security can gather > around the table and discuss security. There wont be demonstrations per > say, just talking. Again any question just ask, topic suggestions email > me personally not to a list. Thanks. I would say that there needs to be one computer per table/group so that someone can show everybody what he's talking about. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Mon, 01 May 2000 21:37:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:37:38 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Pretty Config File Editor > Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a visual, pretty config file editor for Apache? Has anybody tried Webmin's config module for Apache? I only use it for sendmail as I despise gui admin in general. But for sendmail, I'll make an exception :) -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From gowtham16@yahoo.com Mon, 1 May 2000 23:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?gowtham=20ganesh?= gowtham16@yahoo.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] help for writing driver for intellimouse hi friends, i am trying to write a new driver for ms- intellimouse in caldera linux(kde).i would like to make the wheel work(scrolling) for netscape etc.. i could not get the protocol anywhere.will someone send me the protocol with explanation.i connect my mouse in ps/2 compatible mouse port.whether xfree86 supports it(with version details).please help me and send the mail to gowtham16@yahoo.com since i could not get a membership in the mailing list due to some probs. thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From snotty@linux.com Tue, 02 May 2000 02:11:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:11:27 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] being a M$ targeted school sure is fun! here's something you might be interested in... CS111 is handing out Win2k Professional to its students... =) Microsoft donated... boxes and boxes of them... mike snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From jbarratt@ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 02:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] being a M$ targeted school sure is fun! Right, and most of the people I know in the class are reselling them on ebay for ~$250 :) Thanks for the free money Microsoft! Too bad I took the class when they were still using minix -- I guess I finally had to really learn vi, but other than that I'm reaching for other benifits. On Tue, 2 May 2000, mike chan wrote: >here's something you might be interested in... > >CS111 is handing out Win2k Professional to its students... =) Microsoft >donated... boxes and boxes of them... > >mike >snotty e/c >PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From kfe@fmg.cs.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 02:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Eustice kfe@fmg.cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] being a M$ targeted school sure is fun! > Right, and most of the people I know in the class are reselling them on > ebay for ~$250 :) Thanks for the free money Microsoft! Too bad I took the This a very bad thing (tm). That software was bought with an educational MO, and is stamped as such (there's a PO sticker on the package, under the shrinkwrap.) UCLA CS can get in a lot of trouble if that software turns up on eBay. Not to mention -- eBay has a pretty explicit policy about selling educational software. Anyways, my $.02. If you are going to sell it on eBay, at least get rid of the sticker and reshrinkwrap it. That Kevin CS Grad Student (in Dr. Guy's research group) From jbarratt@ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 02:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] being a M$ targeted school sure is fun! Cool . . . as I said, I'm not in the class, but I'll pass the word on. Thanks for the heads up. On Tue, 2 May 2000, Kevin Eustice wrote: >> Right, and most of the people I know in the class are reselling them on >> ebay for ~$250 :) Thanks for the free money Microsoft! Too bad I took the > >This a very bad thing (tm). That software was bought with an educational >MO, and is stamped as such (there's a PO sticker on the package, under the >shrinkwrap.) UCLA CS can get in a lot of trouble if that software turns >up on eBay. Not to mention -- eBay has a pretty explicit policy about >selling educational software. Anyways, my $.02. If you are going to sell >it on eBay, at least get rid of the sticker and reshrinkwrap it. That > > >Kevin >CS Grad Student (in Dr. Guy's research group) > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From vincent.olecrano@dree.org Tue, 2 May 2000 17:05:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:05:23 +0200 From: OLECRANO, Vincent vincent.olecrano@dree.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux on a laptop hello, I have a problem with the graphic interface for Linux with Red Hat 6.0.(My laptop is a LIFE AMD K6 II 433 MD9335). I'd like to know if someone can hep me : Here is my problems : 1 - how can I configurate my graphic card ... (a trident Cyberblade i7 AGP / 4 Mo) which type of graphic card because it is not listed, which clockchip setting (none ?), which video mode ? (16 bits - 1024*768 ?) 2 - which X server ? 3 - which monitor ? (I hava a panel LCD 1024*768) Must I choose it ? or Custom ? (if custom, which Horizontal sync and vertical refresh ?) thanks for all Vincent. From tigran@usanogh.com Tue, 02 May 2000 08:04:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:04:00 -0700 From: Tigran tigran@usanogh.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS Hello I was wondering if anybody know if it is possible to transfer accounts from a SunOS4 box to RedHat6. Both are running on Sparc 20 Thank you From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Tue, 02 May 2000 08:45:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:45:05 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS This sounds like a job for a bunch of bash scripts. First you batch create the accounts and admin files (passwd, etc.) on the RH side and then you cp (don't forget the -Rp) the files over. Remember that if you have any system-wide features to user accounts (e.g., path), you will have to alter the appropriate files. Also, if people have symlinks inside their accounts to places outside their accounts, these links may fail since the organization of the non-user accounts on Solaris is somewhat different than in Linux. Best, Glenn (and no, I'm not going to write your scripts for you!) At 08:04 AM 5/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hello > >I was wondering if anybody know if it is possible to transfer accounts from >a SunOS4 box to RedHat6. >Both are running on Sparc 20 > >Thank you > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 11:14:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:14:16 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 08:04:00AM -0700, Tigran wrote: > Hello >=20 > I was wondering if anybody know if it is possible to transfer accounts fr= om=20 > a SunOS4 box to RedHat6. > Both are running on Sparc 20 Yes, redhat6 knows about ufs so you could just mount the existing user directories. Last I saw ext2 is not too readable by SunOS, if you want to share partitions, those partitions will have to be ufs. I can't remember if linux can read/write ufs. But at least read only. The crypt() for SunOS and linux is the same (at least to you), so you can just copy and paste the passwd entries from one OS' /etc/passwd file to another. Pay careful attention as to what users you transfer. The system users for either OS is very different (nobody, lp, ...), you only want to get the human users. YMMV. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5Dxr34U3i4m+7U54RAbKLAKCNkY+X0qTcyDsbi5D/rH2QH8STDwCeMu91 Gg7fV7o1AWiI9/huYrEJ8Vc= =xYQZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- From uzi@linuxcare.com Tue, 2 May 2000 12:43:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:43:23 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS * Erik Hovland [000502 11:47]: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 08:04:00AM -0700, Tigran wrote: > > I was wondering if anybody know if it is possible to transfer accounts from > > a SunOS4 box to RedHat6. > > Both are running on Sparc 20 > > Yes, redhat6 knows about ufs so you could just mount the existing user > directories. Last I saw ext2 is not too readable by SunOS, if you want > to share partitions, those partitions will have to be ufs. I can't > remember if linux can read/write ufs. But at least read only. Well... actually, ext2 is readable by Solaris... there's a read-only ext2fs driver for Solaris at www.sunfreeware.com... but not SunOS4. There should be no issue transferring the data in over NFS, or using Linux to read the UFS partitions. UFS read support is pretty decent, but the read/write support is iffy at best. > The crypt() for SunOS and linux is the same (at least to you), so you > can just copy and paste the passwd entries from one OS' /etc/passwd > file to another. Pay careful attention as to what users you transfer. > The system users for either OS is very different (nobody, lp, ...), > you only want to get the human users. YMMV. Yeah, I don't think that will be an issue. The issues I see are: * Transferring of the data... shouldn't be *that* bad... just be careful... * User shell configuraations (.cshrc, .profile, etc.) will be off from what they were in SunOS4... your users should expect to have to fix this. I think it should be fairly straightforward otherwise... good luck. :) -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 19:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Mon, 1 May 2000, Denis wrote: > what are the differences in security between pine and all of those GUIsh > email clients? > > denis Well, pine is more secure only because it resides on the same machine as the mail spool file. If I wanted to switch to a GUI client I would be forced to: a) use a combo of the GUI AND pine when I am at local vs remote sites respectively. This leaves various inconsistent mailboxes all over the place - making me even more sick. b) Download my mail before reading it. AFAIK, all the standard mail download protocols (POP, IMAP, etc) are plain text (i.e. insecure). -- This means I may as well ssh into the mail server and use pine instead. Unless of course there exists a way of doing secure mail transfer... I think I found a SecurePOP HOWTO by Yosh (?), but I don't think my mail servers are running POP in the first place. :P From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 19:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Mon, 1 May 2000, Erik Hovland wrote: > None of the GNOME or KDE based clients seem to support PGP/GPG, > although I have no idea if that is what the original poster meant. Mutt > builds support right in and pine can use helper applications. If one > seriously needs a gui and pgp, I suggest using exmh. > > E There is a tool called seahorse (freshmeat) that seems to be able to help in this area- it is a general GUI for encrypting messages. You could do simple copy/paste operations to make up for the dearth of encryption features in your mail client. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS On Tue, 2 May 2000, Joshua Uziel wrote: > > The crypt() for SunOS and linux is the same (at least to you), so you > > can just copy and paste the passwd entries from one OS' /etc/passwd > > file to another. Pay careful attention as to what users you transfer. > > The system users for either OS is very different (nobody, lp, ...), > > you only want to get the human users. YMMV. > > Yeah, I don't think that will be an issue. The issues I see are: > * Transferring of the data... shouldn't be *that* bad... just be > careful... > * User shell configuraations (.cshrc, .profile, etc.) will be off > from what they were in SunOS4... your users should expect to have > to fix this. Uhm, maybe this was implicity described in your reply, but UID assignment is probably also of concern. Do Linux and SunOS partition UIDs in the same way? Good luck. From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 17:25:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:25:53 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS --R+My9LyyhiUvIEro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 08:01:46PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Joshua Uziel wrote: > > > The crypt() for SunOS and linux is the same (at least to you), so you > > > can just copy and paste the passwd entries from one OS' /etc/passwd > > > file to another. Pay careful attention as to what users you transfer. > > > The system users for either OS is very different (nobody, lp, ...), > > > you only want to get the human users. YMMV. > >=20 > > Yeah, I don't think that will be an issue. The issues I see are: > > * Transferring of the data... shouldn't be *that* bad... just be > > careful... > > * User shell configuraations (.cshrc, .profile, etc.) will be off > > from what they were in SunOS4... your users should expect to have > > to fix this. > Uhm, maybe this was implicity described in your reply, but UID assignment > is probably also of concern. Do Linux and SunOS partition UIDs in the same > way? This is what I meant by not taking the 'system' users from one OS to another. The uids for those users are usually different. Otherwise it is generally safe to use human user's uids as long as one used common sense when creating the users on SunOS, (using 500 or 1000 as the first uid as opposed to using 30). E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --R+My9LyyhiUvIEro Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5D3IR4U3i4m+7U54RARmnAJ0RgI41zLGjPctNoLH+CCXG0LTSKACcDsJL 5Rh30h+qdYCVEt8r9xo35CU= =zw28 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R+My9LyyhiUvIEro-- From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 17:26:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:26:44 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 07:56:14PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Erik Hovland wrote: > > None of the GNOME or KDE based clients seem to support PGP/GPG, > > although I have no idea if that is what the original poster meant. Mutt > > builds support right in and pine can use helper applications. If one > > seriously needs a gui and pgp, I suggest using exmh. > >=20 > > E > There is a tool called seahorse (freshmeat) that seems to be able to help > in this area- it is a general GUI for encrypting messages. You could do > simple copy/paste operations to make up for the dearth of encryption > features in your mail client. As I think you would readily admit, still inferior to the way pine, mutt or exmh used pgp/gpg. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5D3JD4U3i4m+7U54RAU0XAJ4vS9uhFsUNxDGOa5Br+dEJSltPrACghh0e +b23gR4uLXDAUVf07bthvd0= =LMpw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY-- From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 17:31:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:31:05 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution --gMR3gsNFwZpnI/Ts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 07:54:44PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Denis wrote: > > what are the differences in security between pine and all of those GUIsh > > email clients? > >=20 > > denis > Well, pine is more secure only because it resides on the same machine as > the mail spool file. If I wanted to switch to a GUI client I would be > forced to: > a) use a combo of the GUI AND pine when I am at local vs remote sites > respectively. This leaves various inconsistent mailboxes all over the > place - making me even more sick. >=20 > b) Download my mail before reading it. AFAIK, all the standard mail > download protocols (POP, IMAP, etc) are plain text (i.e. insecure).=20 > -- > This means I may as well ssh into the mail server and use pine instead. Except for available bandwidth concerns why not just use the gui from the remote box using the ssh X tunnel? Any machine worth it's salt by having ssh would therefore also be able to use X and this secure tunnel. POP has a way to be used over ssl or ssh and IMAP from the beginning has supported ssl although few admins use it. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --gMR3gsNFwZpnI/Ts Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5D3NJ4U3i4m+7U54RAcshAJ9ox0UxOPqxlQAkGevCL75ZV7BrdACfXEDo lEeIw1EH8HK+91WooBzfyo8= =ResV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gMR3gsNFwZpnI/Ts-- From snotty@linux.com Tue, 02 May 2000 18:44:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:44:09 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mysql... hey guys, mark i guess you would know this info... is there a mysql db running on xorn that can be accessed? the reason i'm asking is aolserver is already installed on brain, and i'm putting it onto wacko, and it would be nice to use the same database that xorn is running... otherwise, installing a separate db onto wacko works well too... =) mike snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 18:49:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:49:02 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 07:54:44PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Denis wrote: > > what are the differences in security between pine and all of those GUIsh > > email clients? > > > > denis > Well, pine is more secure only because it resides on the same machine as > the mail spool file. If I wanted to switch to a GUI client I would be > forced to: > a) use a combo of the GUI AND pine when I am at local vs remote sites > respectively. This leaves various inconsistent mailboxes all over the > place - making me even more sick. > > b) Download my mail before reading it. AFAIK, all the standard mail > download protocols (POP, IMAP, etc) are plain text (i.e. insecure). > -- > This means I may as well ssh into the mail server and use pine instead. > > Unless of course there exists a way of doing secure mail transfer... I > think I found a SecurePOP HOWTO by Yosh (?), but I don't think my mail > servers are running POP in the first place. :P > I get my mail with fetchmail going through an ssh tunnel. Thus, you can securely get your mail with any protocol that fetchmail supports. And no lag when typing email, because your client is local! -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From mfasheh Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:47 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... I don't know how many of you have seen this, but I hadn't (before it was sent to me), anyways, thought I'd pass on some humor to brighten everyones day... --Mark Red Hat Airlines: The standard in air travel. Most people have flown Red Hat Air at one point or other. Some people like it and some people hate it and move on to one of the other airlines. Passengers are all treated the same; they get stuck in their seats and told not to ask questions -- everything will be taken care of for them. They should just sit back, relax, and not touch of the fancy controls under any circumstances, lest they send the plane into a tailspin. Red Hat Airlines is fabulously rich. Mandrake Airlines: Mandrake bought a truckload of planes from Red Hat, put new engines in them, re-painted them, and now run their own airline. Considered by many to be the most friendly airline for first-time flyers. Corel Airlines: A new player on the scene, Corel Air thinks it can be the airline of choice for a new generation of first-time pleasure flyers, and maybe even lure in some business travelers too. Their planes are big, brightly painted, and like Red Hat's they protect the innocent, clueless passengers from the dangerous buttons, switches and blinkenlights of the cockpit. SuSe Airlines: An airline out of Europe that tries to be everything for everyone and succeeds -- to a degree. Recently paid a huge sum of money to use a comic strip in its promotional material. (And after they finally named the lizard...) Caldera OpenAirlines: These guys go out of their way to make things comfortable for the business user. They've got a pretty terminal, pretty planes, really good in-flight movies, etc. But I had a bad experience with these guys once. They lost my luggage. Quite a mess, really. Ah well, such is life. I never flew with them again. SlackAIR: >From a distance, their planes look just like everyone elses. But up close you can tell that they haven't been painted and little bits of wire stick out here and there. But onboard, the seats are comfortable enough and there are plenty of stewardesses available to help you readjust your seat if you manage to break it. There is no in-flight movie but if you get bored you are always welcome up in the cockpit. The pilots will be glad to let you try and fly the plane and are happy to let you push whatever buttons you want, even if you don't know what you're doing. Generally, novice flyers avoid SlackAIR as they've heard horror stories about newbies pressing the wrong button and causing the plane to explode. Debian Airlines: They have a single type of airplane; a huge sucker weighing 2400 tons and carrying just about everything you can imagine. They've got kitchen sinks, massage parlors, a paintball arena, and 294 types of cheese for sale in the onboard, 24-hour supermarket. You can see from the terminal they have a huge team of technicians working on their fleet, poking and prodding. Debian Air is the only choice for some: everything onboard is built 100% by union workers -- no shoddy, possibly dangerous, imports here. For completeness, let's throw in some BSD... NetAIR: Pretty standard fare, with one primary selling point: they'll fly anywhere. There isn't anywhere they won't go. War zones, political hotbeds, Canada -- all fair game. Of course, they keep their planes in good condition and up to date. FreeAIR: Probably the most popular of the alternative airlines, FreeAIR is a favorite of business travelers and, well, pretty much everyone. They offer the same services as everyone else and have the same devoted following as the other airlines. Purportedly a good choice for first time BSD flyers. OpenAIR: SecureAIR really would be more appropriate. They've got armed guards at every door, armed guards on the plane -- even a fighter escort. Passengers are treated pretty respectably as long as they are willing to go through the security checkpoints. *----------------------------------------------------------* | Lisa Corsetti 408.542.5721 | | Web Software lisa@valinux.com | | VA LINUX SYSTEMS http://www.valinux.com | *----------------------------------------------------------* ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 19:00:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:00:37 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux on a laptop On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:05:23PM +0200, OLECRANO, Vincent wrote: > > > hello, > I have a problem with the graphic interface for Linux with Red Hat 6.0.(My > laptop is a LIFE AMD K6 II 433 MD9335). > I'd like to know if someone can hep me : > Here is my problems : > 1 - how can I configurate my graphic card ... (a trident Cyberblade i7 AGP / > 4 Mo) > which type of graphic card because it is not listed, It's not listed because it's not supported in Red Hat 6.0. I recommend that you upgrade to Red Hat 6.2 or Mandrake 7.0, which both appear to support your graphics card. If you're in CS 111 and are worried about using something other that Red Hat 6.0, we have made the exact same kernel source packages that are in Red Hat 6.0 available on our web page. So you can install a more up-to-date Linux distribution and then download the old kernel modules for use in your class. > which clockchip setting (none ?), You usually don't need to specify one. > which video mode ? (16 bits - 1024*768 ?) It's really up to your personal preferences and what your card and monitor support. > 2 - which X server ? It'll determine that for you automatically. > 3 - which monitor ? > (I hava a panel LCD 1024*768) Must I choose it ? or Custom ? (if custom, > which Horizontal sync and vertical refresh ?) The LCD 1024x768 option should probably work. Note that you might find the "Xconfigurator" program easier to use (if you're not already using it, that is). > > thanks for all > Vincent. -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] help for writing driver for intellimouse Have you tried imwheel? I use it, and it works great: http://jcatki.dhs.org/imwheel/ On Mon, 1 May 2000, [iso-8859-1] gowtham ganesh wrote: > hi friends, > i am trying to write a new driver for ms- > intellimouse in caldera linux(kde).i would like to > make the wheel work(scrolling) for netscape etc.. > i could not get the protocol anywhere.will someone > send > me the protocol with explanation.i connect my mouse > in ps/2 compatible mouse port.whether xfree86 supports > it(with version details).please help me and send the > mail to gowtham16@yahoo.com since i could not get a > membership in the mailing list due to some probs. > thanks > From mfasheh Tue, 2 May 2000 22:00:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:00:15 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:32:23PM -0700, John Wenger wrote: > Mark, > > What did you find wrong or dislike about xmh? I think it > comees with every distribution. It is extremely powerful, > and the underlying engine is ultra powerful, and I believe > the most powerful available. > > John >From the debian ?package info? page, 'xmh is a very old X client and is not exactly a "living" piece of software'. Does it do pop/imap? otherwise I'm assuming I have to run it over X, and on my internet connection, X connections suck (you should see how crappy it is simply typing text into a remote session). Besides, I don't have it on my system, because RedHat makes me remove it if I want to remove the Sendmail package (which is how I figure it works only on local mailboxes). --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 22:02:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:02:58 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... On Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:47 -0700, said Mark James Fasheh : >I don't know how many of you have seen this, but I hadn't (before it was >sent to me), anyways, thought I'd pass on some humor to brighten everyones >day... > --Mark > >Red Hat Airlines: > >The standard in air travel. Most people have flown Red Hat Air at one [BIG SNIP] Well... someone doesn't check up on segfault.org every day... ... (unable to track down url) ... and someone doesn't seem to keep Segfault's servers up, either... -Fred From leonardr@ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 22:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Leonard D. Richardson leonardr@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... > and someone doesn't seem to keep Segfault's servers up, either... Don't look at me, I just work there. -- Leonard Richardson \ leonardr@segfault.org / crummy.segfault.org "This isn't 'Mad Max', it's 'Sad Max'." - Joel Hodgson From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 22:14:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:14:17 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... On Tue, 2 May 2000 22:11:37 -0400 (EDT), said "Leonard D. Richardson" : >> and someone doesn't seem to keep Segfault's servers up, either... > Don't look at me, I just work there. >-- >Leonard Richardson leonardr@segfault.org / crummy.segfault.org > "This isn't 'Mad Max', it's 'Sad Max'." - Joel Hodgson I wasn't looking at you Leonard. I was looking at our to-be employee (intern, whatever) of VA Linux... as in, that place that hosts Segfault's servers... (more cold stare) -Fred From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 22:24:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:24:47 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Tue, 2 May 2000 22:00:15 -0700, said Mark James Fasheh : >On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:32:23PM -0700, John Wenger wrote: >> Mark, >> >> What did you find wrong or dislike about xmh? I think it >> comees with every distribution. It is extremely powerful, >> and the underlying engine is ultra powerful, and I believe >> the most powerful available. >> >> John [snip Mark's response. Who cares about it ;p And I couldn't find the original post in my mailbox to respond to.] xmh Athena widgets 'nuff said. -Fred From larva@lillith.mit.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 01:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Tue, 2 May 2000, Erik Hovland wrote: > > There is a tool called seahorse (freshmeat) that seems to be able to help > > in this area- it is a general GUI for encrypting messages. You could do > > simple copy/paste operations to make up for the dearth of encryption > > features in your mail client. > > As I think you would readily admit, still inferior to the way pine, > mutt or exmh used pgp/gpg. For mail applications, yes. But this means that use of GPG/PGP aren't implicitly restricted to e-mail, but can now be readily applied to all data. Course its not like this couldn't be done on the command line... :) From larva@lillith.mit.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 01:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:58:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Tue, 2 May 2000, Erik Hovland wrote: > Except for available bandwidth concerns why not just use the gui from > the remote box using the ssh X tunnel? Any machine worth it's salt by > having ssh would therefore also be able to use X and this secure > tunnel. > > POP has a way to be used over ssl or ssh and IMAP from the beginning > has supported ssl although few admins use it. Hmm... we can tell who ISN'T using a 28.8 net connection at home... :) Sorry, but even twm over ssh at 28.8kbps (MAXIMUM) is unbearable. From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 2 May 2000 23:40:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:40:54 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Wed, 3 May 2000 01:58:13 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Tue, 2 May 2000, Erik Hovland wrote: >> Except for available bandwidth concerns why not just use the gui from >> the remote box using the ssh X tunnel? Any machine worth it's salt by >> having ssh would therefore also be able to use X and this secure >> tunnel. >> >> POP has a way to be used over ssl or ssh and IMAP from the beginning >> has supported ssl although few admins use it. >Hmm... we can tell who ISN'T using a 28.8 net connection at home... :) >Sorry, but even twm over ssh at 28.8kbps (MAXIMUM) is unbearable. However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over a 28.8kpbs modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far more tolerable (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. Primarily due to swap time. Way back then, Netscape under Linux was thrashing the hard drive enough to give Windows three heart attacks before crashing [everything]. A nudge up to 48MB RAM helped in letting Sawmill, GNOME, a couple dozen xterms, and a GUI irc client running with light swapping. Bringing up Netscape would still cause enough swapping to give Windows a stroke, but not yet slow enough to make X over 28.8 necessary. Well... than again, I have DSL now. -Fred From mfasheh Wed, 3 May 2000 00:00:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:00:33 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... > I wasn't looking at you Leonard. I was looking at our to-be employee (intern, > whatever) of VA Linux... as in, that place that hosts Segfault's servers... > (more cold stare) try 'intern-hopefull'. nobodys given me a contract yet :) --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From todd@mrball.net Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution Frederick Lee wrote: > However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over a 28.8kpbs > modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far more tolerable > (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. >From a DSL connection at my home to a DSL connection at a buddy's house, it takes about 3 minutes for Netscape just to come up through X forwarding. Is that what you call tolerable? I considered it a little beyond intolerable myself. The amount of traffic that generates was kind of amazing to me. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Wed, 03 May 2000 07:50:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 07:50:03 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] If Linux distributions were Airlines... At 06:48 PM 5/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >I don't know how many of you have seen this, but I hadn't (before it was >sent to me), anyways, thought I'd pass on some humor to brighten everyones >day... > --Mark (snip) This seems to be an extension of some humour that I got some years ago. I understand that the first formulation was during a talk given by IBM. There are also air versions of AIX and IRIS, but I can't seem to find them right now. IF OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINES Air DOS Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ... Mac Airlines All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up. Windows Air The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever. Windows NT Air Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes. UNIX Airways Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Linux Air Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?" From tigran@csun.edu Wed, 03 May 2000 08:49:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:49:44 -0700 From: Tigran tigran@csun.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] linux and SunOS many thanks to all this helped much At 05:25 PM 5/2/2000 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 08:01:46PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Joshua Uziel wrote: > > > > The crypt() for SunOS and linux is the same (at least to you), so you > > > > can just copy and paste the passwd entries from one OS' /etc/passwd > > > > file to another. Pay careful attention as to what users you transfer. > > > > The system users for either OS is very different (nobody, lp, ...), > > > > you only want to get the human users. YMMV. > > > > > > Yeah, I don't think that will be an issue. The issues I see are: > > > * Transferring of the data... shouldn't be *that* bad... just be > > > careful... > > > * User shell configuraations (.cshrc, .profile, etc.) will be off > > > from what they were in SunOS4... your users should expect to have > > > to fix this. > > Uhm, maybe this was implicity described in your reply, but UID assignment > > is probably also of concern. Do Linux and SunOS partition UIDs in the same > > way? > >This is what I meant by not taking the 'system' users from one OS to >another. The uids for those users are usually different. Otherwise it >is generally safe to use human user's uids as long as one used common >sense when creating the users on SunOS, (using 500 or 1000 as the >first uid as opposed to using 30). > >E > >-- >Erik Hovland >USC Linux User Group President >http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ >GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg > >"Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling > and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe > _________________________________________________ "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it" -- Richard Feynman From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 10:33:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:33:21 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:58:13AM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > Hmm... we can tell who ISN'T using a 28.8 net connection at home... :) > Sorry, but even twm over ssh at 28.8kbps (MAXIMUM) is unbearable. You caught me. I use ISDN, at 115kbps. Which is still intolerable for X use, on occasion I use dxpc: http://www.vigor.nu/dxpc/ Which still makes netscape no easier, but the occasional matlab session usable. And if you can't tell from my mail headers I am firmly in the mutt camp. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5EGLh4U3i4m+7U54RAQhNAKCJaC0P19FPdN1nEnJh87lKFtBUfACgheo0 lNF4B3VnSq79OUNDPnZOj6s= =der4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From mfasheh Wed, 3 May 2000 10:40:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:40:03 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mysql... Yeah, there is a mysql db running, and it's setup for the most part -- we just need to create the actual databases and their tables. --Mark On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 06:44:09PM -0700, mike chan wrote: > hey guys, > > mark i guess you would know this info... is there a mysql db running on > xorn that can be accessed? the reason i'm asking is aolserver is already > installed on brain, and i'm putting it onto wacko, and it would be nice to > use the same database that xorn is running... otherwise, installing a > separate db onto wacko works well too... =) > > mike > snotty e/c > PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From myu@anderson.ucla.edu Wed, 03 May 2000 10:54:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:54:52 -0700 From: MIng Yu myu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] internet Hi, I'm able to configure my modem. The following is what I did. 1. rp3-config to configure my modem sucessfully 2. ln -sf /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem according to the result from rp3-config 3 minicom which allow me to connect to BOL by doing Ctrl-A D. But the problem is, although I can connect to BOL, I can only use the network inside that terminal such as telnet and I cannot use browser at all. Do I need to do something else to configure the browser(netscape) in order to browse the internet? Also, although I use Ctrl-A H to hang up and the connection was able to be dropped, when I use minicom again, the error msg says that /dev/modem is locked. Thanks a lot. Ming From myu@chem.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mingqiang Yu myu@chem.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] network and internet Hi, I'm able to configure my modem. The following is what I did. 1.rp3-config to configure my modem sucessfully 2. ln -sf /dev/ttyS3/dev/modem according to the result from rp3-config 3. minicom which allow me to connect to BOL by doing Ctrl-A D. But the problem is, although I can connect to BOL, I can only use the network inside that terminal such as telnet and I cannot use browser at all. Do I need to do something else to configure the browser(netscape) in order to browse the internet? Also, although I use Ctrl-A H to hang up and the connection was able to be dropped, when I use minicom again, the error msg says that /dev/modem is locked. Thanks a lot. Ming From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 11:16:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:16:20 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700, said "Todd A. Lyons" : >Frederick Lee wrote: > >> However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over a 28.8kpbs >> modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far more tolerable >> (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. > >From a DSL connection at my home to a DSL connection at a buddy's house, >it takes about 3 minutes for Netscape just to come up through X >forwarding. Is that what you call tolerable? I considered it a little >beyond intolerable myself. The amount of traffic that generates was >kind of amazing to me. >-- >Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net >* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * >*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* >* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set your X server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good ol' 2MB/s sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote startup is far more tolerable than 10 minutes local. Also, nice little thing called lbxproxy, compressed X communication. Helped speed things up a bit. (Maybe there was confusion over the fact that I was behind the 28.8 and running Netscape off a remote PII/233?) -Fred From Luis@billingsupport.com Wed, 03 May 2000 11:46:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:46:25 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] login Questions I have a question , would anyone know how to check or what the command is to tell me who's long into my machine. When I do top it tells me that there are 2 users on my linux box . it would help me if someone could tell me what the command is . Thanks Luis At 11:16 AM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700, said "Todd A. Lyons" : > >Frederick Lee wrote: > > > >> However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over a 28.8kpbs > >> modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far more > tolerable > >> (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. > > > >From a DSL connection at my home to a DSL connection at a buddy's house, > >it takes about 3 minutes for Netscape just to come up through X > >forwarding. Is that what you call tolerable? I considered it a little > >beyond intolerable myself. The amount of traffic that generates was > >kind of amazing to me. > >-- > >Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > >* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > >*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > >* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * > >Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set your X >server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good ol' 2MB/s >sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote startup is far >more tolerable than 10 minutes local. > >Also, nice little thing called lbxproxy, compressed X communication. Helped >speed things up a bit. > >(Maybe there was confusion over the fact that I was behind the 28.8 and >running >Netscape off a remote PII/233?) > >-Fred > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From rrh888@yahoo.com Wed, 3 May 2000 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Hsieh rrh888@yahoo.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] login Questions type "who" at the command line. That might do it. -Roger --- Luis wrote: > I have a question , would anyone know how to check or what the > command is > to tell me who's long into my machine. When I do top it tells me that > there > are 2 users on my linux box . it would help me if someone could tell > me > what the command is . > > > Thanks > > Luis > > > > At 11:16 AM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote: > >On Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700, said "Todd A. Lyons" > : > > >Frederick Lee wrote: > > > > > >> However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over > a 28.8kpbs > > >> modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far > more > > tolerable > > >> (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. > > > > > >From a DSL connection at my home to a DSL connection at a buddy's > house, > > >it takes about 3 minutes for Netscape just to come up through X > > >forwarding. Is that what you call tolerable? I considered it a > little > > >beyond intolerable myself. The amount of traffic that generates > was > > >kind of amazing to me. > > >-- > > >Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > > >* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > > >*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > > >* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * > > > >Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set > your X > >server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good > ol' 2MB/s > >sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote > startup is far > >more tolerable than 10 minutes local. > > > >Also, nice little thing called lbxproxy, compressed X communication. > Helped > >speed things up a bit. > > > >(Maybe there was confusion over the fact that I was behind the 28.8 > and > >running > >Netscape off a remote PII/233?) > > > >-Fred > > > >_______________________________________________ > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Luis@billingsupport.com Wed, 03 May 2000 11:58:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:58:02 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] login Questions Well thank roger, right when i type in who i got two connections . 1>tty3 2.>pts/0 what does that mean . At 11:47 AM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote: >type "who" >at the command line. That might do it. > >-Roger >--- Luis wrote: > > I have a question , would anyone know how to check or what the > > command is > > to tell me who's long into my machine. When I do top it tells me that > > there > > are 2 users on my linux box . it would help me if someone could tell > > me > > what the command is . > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > At 11:16 AM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 May 2000 07:34:51 -0700, said "Todd A. Lyons" > > : > > > >Frederick Lee wrote: > > > > > > > >> However, running Netscape off a very fast machine, remote, over > > a 28.8kpbs > > > >> modem, when your home box is a P5/100 with only 16MB RAM, is far > > more > > > tolerable > > > >> (and faster!) than trying to bring the beast up locally. > > > > > > > >From a DSL connection at my home to a DSL connection at a buddy's > > house, > > > >it takes about 3 minutes for Netscape just to come up through X > > > >forwarding. Is that what you call tolerable? I considered it a > > little > > > >beyond intolerable myself. The amount of traffic that generates > > was > > > >kind of amazing to me. > > > >-- > > > >Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > > > >* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > > > >*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > > > >* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * > > > > > >Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set > > your X > > >server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good > > ol' 2MB/s > > >sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote > > startup is far > > >more tolerable than 10 minutes local. > > > > > >Also, nice little thing called lbxproxy, compressed X communication. > > Helped > > >speed things up a bit. > > > > > >(Maybe there was confusion over the fact that I was behind the 28.8 > > and > > >running > > >Netscape off a remote PII/233?) > > > > > >-Fred > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 12:04:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:04:05 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] internet On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 10:54:52AM -0700, MIng Yu wrote: > Hi, > > I'm able to configure my modem. The following is what I did. > 1. rp3-config to configure my modem sucessfully > 2. ln -sf /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem according to the result from rp3-config > > 3 minicom which allow me to connect to BOL by doing Ctrl-A D. > > But the problem is, although I can connect to BOL, I can only use the > network inside that terminal such as telnet and I cannot use browser at > all. Do I need to do something else to configure the browser(netscape) > in order to browse the internet? > Minicom is usually only used for testing and/or connecting to a shell account via dialup. If you want to start a PPP connection so that you can use Netscape, etc., then just run rp3-config and create a new dialup configuration, giving the information for your internet service provider (which happens to be BOL in this case). > Also, although I use Ctrl-A H to hang up and the connection was able to > be dropped, when I use minicom again, the error msg says that /dev/modem > is locked. I'm not sure about this one. > > Thanks a lot. > > Ming -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Running something at shutdown? Well, every time I want to reboot, and I have an SMB mount still mounted, the machine hangs in the middle of the shutdown/umounting partitions sequence, and I have to press reset. Where can I put a little scripty to handle unmounting of SMB mounts before it hangs? I know shutting down is runlevel 6 (right?) but does that mean I can put a little scripty under /etc/rc.d/rc6.d (mandrake)? If so, when in the shutdown sequence will the script be run (before everything else?) Can the script be something other than a shell script (ie, perl)? TIA Dimi From larva@lillith.mit.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution On Wed, 3 May 2000, Frederick Lee wrote: > Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set your X > server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good ol' 2MB/s > sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote startup is far > more tolerable than 10 minutes local. > > Also, nice little thing called lbxproxy, compressed X communication. Helped > speed things up a bit. > > (Maybe there was confusion over the fact that I was behind the 28.8 and running > Netscape off a remote PII/233?) Yeah, well my internet connection is a ball of string, two tin cups, and a stick to bang on the string with. :?P From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 12:37:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:37:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIngqiang Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] internet I did run rp3-config and gave all the BOL's information. Could you tell me how to start it or how to run it to connect to the internet? Thanks. Ming On Wed, 03 May 2000 12:04:05 -0700 Dan Helfman wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 10:54:52AM -0700, MIng Yu wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm able to configure my modem. The following is what I did. > > 1. rp3-config to configure my modem sucessfully > > 2. ln -sf /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem according to the result from rp3-config > > > > 3 minicom which allow me to connect to BOL by doing Ctrl-A D. > > > > But the problem is, although I can connect to BOL, I can only use the > > network inside that terminal such as telnet and I cannot use browser at > > all. Do I need to do something else to configure the browser(netscape) > > in order to browse the internet? > > > > Minicom is usually only used for testing and/or connecting to a shell > account via dialup. If you want to start a PPP connection so that you can > use Netscape, etc., then just run rp3-config and create a new dialup > configuration, giving the information for your internet service provider > (which happens to be BOL in this case). > > > Also, although I use Ctrl-A H to hang up and the connection was able to > > be dropped, when I use minicom again, the error msg says that /dev/modem > > is locked. > > I'm not sure about this one. > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Ming > > -- > Dan Helfman > UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu > My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux ming ---------------------- Mingqiang Yu Department of Economics UCLA Los Angeles, CA 90095-1477 From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 12:47:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:47:27 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 03:18:52PM -0400, Matt Helsley wrote: > Yeah, well my internet connection is a ball of string, two tin cups, and a > stick to bang on the string with. :?P You might want to talk to your ISP (internet string provider) because the IEEE standard 802.s, ethernet over twine, requires that the string be unraveled and not in a ball :P. Anyone remeber the ip over carrier pigeon: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/rfc/rfc2549.txt E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5EIJO4U3i4m+7U54RARlJAJ9GiPDOpfLJAQiC80NYNe8F8lZw5gCdETaZ TQnlN45OXkGDJFsikVHmJDQ= =HMhD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ghzN8eJ9Qlbqn3iT-- From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 12:56:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:56:43 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Running something at shutdown? --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:11:50PM -0700, Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > Where can I put a little scripty to handle unmounting of SMB mounts > before it hangs? /etc/rc.d/rc[0,1,2].d Call the script K45smbmount. The K part tells init that it is a kill script to be run at shutdown. My rule of thumb is to use /etc/rc.d/rc1.d, but YMMV. > I know shutting down is runlevel 6 (right?) Actually init level 6 is reboot, close though. 0 is the base run level, 1 and 2 are always passed through on the way up and on the way down and the default multi-user run level is 3. 4 and 5 are left up to the implementator and 5 is typically the X login screen run level for linux. There is also a s or single level for single user. There might be some more, anyone got the red book or essential SA handy? > Can the script be something other than a shell script (ie, perl)? Yes, but no one does this, I would imagine there is a reason but I don't know it. Besides your script should be the most basic of scripts and bourne/bash should be sufficient. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5EIR64U3i4m+7U54RAXBeAJ9wAoOvProYgpvydhcVki/GQ+RQ+wCgjUfH qMeghohyTvkW1IuEA+At9aw= =+lwG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AkbCVLjbJ9qUtAXD-- From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 13:06:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:06:55 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] internet On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:37:49PM -0700, MIngqiang Yu wrote: > I did run rp3-config and gave all the BOL's information. Could > you tell me how to start it or how to run it to connect to the > internet? I believe just running the program "rp3" will allow you to actually make the connection. > > Thanks. > > Ming -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 13:32:51 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:32:51 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIng Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] CD player I just installed RH6.2 in my home computer. The sound card works fine. But when I opened cd player, it says that "No matching CDDB entry found". Could anyone tell me what I should do to this? Thanks. ming ---------------------- From larva@lillith.mit.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 16:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] CD player On Wed, 3 May 2000, MIng Yu wrote: > I just installed RH6.2 in my home computer. The sound card works > fine. But when I opened cd player, it says that "No matching > CDDB entry found". > > Could anyone tell me what I should do to this? This is not really an error you should be very concerned about. CDDB is an acronym for "CD DataBase". Basically, the program is telling you that it could not find an entry in the local CD database, or in the internet-wide CD database. This means that your tracks won't be labelled with the names of the songs, and the CD program won't know who made the music, or what the title of the CD is. Typically, no one cares since CD drives are usually used to: 1) Read data from 2) Play music from And the lack of a CDDB entry interferes with neither of these functions. From todd@mrball.net Wed, 03 May 2000 18:58:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:58:15 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Evolution Frederick Lee wrote: > Downgrade your chip to a P5/100, pull out all but 16MB of RAM, set your X > server to a non-acclerated mode, and run your swap drives at a good ol' 2MB/s > sustained rate (PIO 2?). Then you'll see that 3 minutes remote startup is far > more tolerable than 10 minutes local. Ahhh, like my laptop was (P133/16MB). Took X about 2 minutes to come up running Enlightenment (black box took about 20 seconds). Took Netscape another 5 minutes or so. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Wed, 03 May 2000 19:01:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:01:22 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Running something at shutdown? Erik Hovland wrote: > Actually init level 6 is reboot, close though. 0 is the base run > level, 1 and 2 are always passed through on the way up and on the way Which distro is this on? Runlevel 0 is shutdown on my system. Or is this an apples and oranges type deal? -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Wed, 03 May 2000 19:27:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:27:15 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] login Questions Luis wrote: > > Well thank roger, right when i type in who i got two connections . > 1>tty3 2.>pts/0 A user is logged on to tty3 (Alt-F3) and a user is logged in to a virtual terminal pts/0 (in your case probably through ssh or telnet). -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From myu@anderson.ucla.edu Wed, 3 May 2000 20:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mingqiang Yu myu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] CD player Thanks. But the problem is that although it shows in the screen that it's reading the cd rom and the song is playing, there is no sound. I did sndconfig and the sound test is successfull. Thanks a lot. Ming On Wed, 3 May 2000, Matt Helsley wrote: > On Wed, 3 May 2000, MIng Yu wrote: > > I just installed RH6.2 in my home computer. The sound card works > > fine. But when I opened cd player, it says that "No matching > > CDDB entry found". > > > > Could anyone tell me what I should do to this? > This is not really an error you should be very concerned about. > > CDDB is an acronym for "CD DataBase". Basically, the program is telling > you that it could not find an entry in the local CD database, or in the > internet-wide CD database. This means that your tracks won't be labelled > with the names of the songs, and the CD program won't know who made the > music, or what the title of the CD is. Typically, no one cares since CD > drives are usually used to: > 1) Read data from > 2) Play music from > > And the lack of a CDDB entry interferes with neither of these functions. > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From snotty@linux.com Wed, 03 May 2000 22:23:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:23:31 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] CD player hrm... have you checked that the audio cable from your cdrom is connected to your sound card correctly? mike At 08.27 PM 5.3.2000 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks. But the problem is that although it shows in the >screen that it's reading the cd rom and the song is playing, >there is no sound. I did sndconfig and the sound test is >successfull. > >Thanks a lot. > >Ming > >On Wed, 3 May 2000, Matt Helsley wrote: > >> On Wed, 3 May 2000, MIng Yu wrote: >> > I just installed RH6.2 in my home computer. The sound card works >> > fine. But when I opened cd player, it says that "No matching >> > CDDB entry found". >> > >> > Could anyone tell me what I should do to this? >> This is not really an error you should be very concerned about. >> >> CDDB is an acronym for "CD DataBase". Basically, the program is telling >> you that it could not find an entry in the local CD database, or in the >> internet-wide CD database. This means that your tracks won't be labelled >> with the names of the songs, and the CD program won't know who made the >> music, or what the title of the CD is. Typically, no one cares since CD >> drives are usually used to: >> 1) Read data from >> 2) Play music from >> >> And the lack of a CDDB entry interferes with neither of these functions. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >> http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux >> > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From todd@mrball.net Wed, 03 May 2000 22:29:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:29:41 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] CD player Mingqiang Yu wrote: > > Thanks. But the problem is that although it shows in the > screen that it's reading the cd rom and the song is playing, > there is no sound. I did sndconfig and the sound test is > successfull. 1) Is the little 4 pin cable that goes from the cdrom to the sound card installed? 2) Have you tried installing/running aumix to see what the mixer settings are set? If you don't know what aumix is, it's a great character based mixer that is easy to use and works GREAT! You can run it in a terminal in X or as an X application (xaumix). -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From namson@ucla.edu Thu, 04 May 2000 00:26:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:26:43 -0700 From: Namson Tran namson@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] $PATH Where is the PATH variable absolutely declared? Everywhere I look, I see a reference to $PATH, but no place where PATH is actually defined. Thanks for any help in advance. namson From snotty@linux.com Thu, 04 May 2000 03:31:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 03:31:23 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] $PATH if you're using a c shell derivative... you can change it in your .cshrc file... or if you're using a bourne/bash shell, you can set it in .bashrc the default settings are usually found in /etc/skel, and some files in /etc/. but these can vary from distribution to distribution... its late, and i have midterms in a few hours, so tell me if i'm misinformed guys =p mike At 12.26 AM 5.4.2000 -0700, you wrote: >Where is the PATH variable absolutely declared? Everywhere I look, I see a >reference to $PATH, but no place where PATH is actually defined. Thanks for >any help in advance. > >namson > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 11:27:31 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:27:31 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIng Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) I've installed both NT and Redhat 6.2 on my machine. So, in order to dual boot by c: drive, I need to copy a file called bootsect.lnx to my C:\ drive and add one line c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" to my C:\boot.ini file. But my question is, under what situations I have to update this file in my C:\ drive? In the NT OS loader+linux miniHowTO, it says that "A new copy of bootsect.lnx must be transfered to C:\bootsect.lnx every time the bootsector of your linux-partition has been modifiled. This happens for example when you install a new kernel with lilo." So, when I install a new kernel, I need to update this file. But what about other cases (i.e. add/remove hardware, add/remove partition and so on)? Thanks a for your help. ming ---------------------- From snotty@linux.com Thu, 04 May 2000 11:37:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:37:54 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) the general rule is any time you run lilo to update your boot sector, you're gonna hve to go through the whole process again.. dd->file, copy file->win partition... if you modify the hard drive partitions on which your linux/nt, you probably have to redo your lilo... the problem with the NT boot loader is that you're going to need a floppy to get into your linux if your partition # changed for your linux partition, while lilo lets you pass a lot of kernel parameters that allow you to boot w/o a boot floppy... mike At 11.27 AM 5.4.2000 -0700, you wrote: >I've installed both NT and Redhat 6.2 on my machine. So, in >order to dual boot by c: drive, I need to copy a file called >bootsect.lnx to my C:\ drive and add one line >c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" to my C:\boot.ini file. But my question >is, under what situations I have to update this file in my C:\ >drive? In the NT OS loader+linux miniHowTO, it says that "A new >copy of bootsect.lnx must be transfered to C:\bootsect.lnx every >time the bootsector of your linux-partition has been modifiled. >This happens for example when you install a new kernel with >lilo." So, when I install a new kernel, I need to update this >file. But what about other cases (i.e. add/remove hardware, >add/remove partition and so on)? > >Thanks a for your help. > > > ming >---------------------- > > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 12:17:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:17:40 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] $PATH On Thu, 04 May 2000 00:26:43 -0700, said Namson Tran : >Where is the PATH variable absolutely declared? Everywhere I look, I see a >reference to $PATH, but no place where PATH is actually defined. Thanks for >any help in advance. > >namson GNU bash has a built-in "absolutely minimal" PATH setting. This is configurable when the shell is being compiled (e.g. by the vendor for a binary distribution); due to Unix patterns, the most common built-in PATH is "/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" (or something along those lines). Site-specific settings are in /etc/profile and/or /etc/bashrc. If PATH isn't set in these, bash will keep its builtins. User-specific settings are in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, and/or ~/.profile. IIRC, these files inherit the settings from the site-wide files. -Fred From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 13:28:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:28:34 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Running something at shutdown? --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:01:22PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > Erik Hovland wrote: >=20 > > Actually init level 6 is reboot, close though. 0 is the base run > > level, 1 and 2 are always passed through on the way up and on the way >=20 > Which distro is this on? Runlevel 0 is shutdown on my system. Or is > this an apples and oranges type deal? By base run level I do mean nothing going on or shutdown. Sorry, wording was confusing. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5Ed1x4U3i4m+7U54RAeYaAJ9M5TeQ66IJFrhA+oq7HS2ZgAhYPQCfeOCP ErHqciwyITpF0XEWWMHLK38= =6uil -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J-- From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 14:34:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:34:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIng Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, pqlist and nprint. 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the servername/login name in. 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to print using nprint -q printername filename The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each line is printed under the previous line but after the last character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? Thanks. ming ---------------------- From jbarratt@ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:30 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint This is called stair-stepped text -- it's due to the missing CR in unix text files. There used to be a checkbox in redhat printtool that lets you turn off stair stepped text, but it seems to be missing now (?) Anyway, here's a fix: Fixing stair-stepped text If you got stair-stepped text when you redirected text directly to the printer port, then printing a text file through lpr will be no different. The answer to this problem is to define a printer filter that will process the data before it reaches the printer (in this case, we need carriage returns added to the end of each line). Defining a printer filter is done by using the if= parameter (if stands for input filter) in your /etc/printcap file. For example, you could add this line to your printer definition (don't forget to put the slashes in appropriate places and restart lpd): :if=/usr/bin/todos: Anything that gets printed through that queue will first be passed through the todos program (which will add the necessary carriage return to the end of each line). If todos doesn't exist on your system, you can create a replacement by putting the following lines in /usr/bin/todos (don't forget to run 'chmod 755 todos' to make it executable). :#!/usr/bin/perl while (<>) chomp; print "$_\r\n"; } Have fun . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: MIng Yu To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint > I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network > printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: > > 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure > --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on > 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, > pqlist and nprint. > 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing > 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the > servername/login name in. > 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to > print using nprint -q printername filename > > The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each > line is printed under the previous line but after the last > character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first > few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden > characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with > some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me > what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? > > Thanks. > > > ming > ---------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From gareth@wiked.org Thu, 4 May 2000 22:15:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:15:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] LUG Birds of a Feather Okay I got some good ideas from everyone in regard to this event, they are below. The date for the event is May 27th and will start around 1pm. The format of it, is as follows. We will have tables setup around the Nortel cafeteria, a section for each topic. People can then move thru out the room to the various areas were the various topics will be discussed. There will not be demonstrations there, it is just discussions. I repeat, No demonstrations. That being said there will be one person for each topic that will act as the organizer, not the moderator but just someone to hang out at the table, etc. Any questions anyone has please let me know. Thanks guys. Current List of Topics ---------------------- Security Web Development Tools (web servers,scripting languages) GUIs(best,worst,etc) Linux IDEs (integrated development enviroment) GUI programming (QT,GTK,FLTK,etc) Multmedia programming (graphics/sound) Linux Database solutions Graphics Manipulation Instant Messaging (AIM,ICQ) Linux on different architectures (Sparc,Alpha, ARM) --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 15:34:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:34:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIng Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint The problem is that I'm not using printtool to configure the novell network printer but doing this through IPX. It doesn't use printcap file. Do you know where I should put the printer filter then? Thanks. On Thu, 04 May 2000 15:00:30 -0700 Josh Barratt wrote: > This is called stair-stepped text -- it's due to the missing CR in unix text > files. There used to be a checkbox in redhat printtool that lets you turn > off stair stepped text, but it seems to be missing now (?) > > Anyway, here's a fix: > Fixing stair-stepped text > > If you got stair-stepped text when you redirected text directly to the > printer port, then printing a text file through lpr will be no different. > The answer to this problem is to define a printer filter that will process > the data before it reaches the printer (in this case, we need carriage > returns added to the end of each line). > > Defining a printer filter is done by using the if= parameter (if stands for > input filter) in your /etc/printcap file. For example, you could add this > line to your printer definition (don't forget to put the slashes in > appropriate places and restart lpd): > > :if=/usr/bin/todos: > Anything that gets printed through that queue will first be passed through > the todos program (which will add the necessary carriage return to the end > of each line). If todos doesn't exist on your system, you can create a > replacement by putting the following lines in /usr/bin/todos (don't forget > to run 'chmod 755 todos' to make it executable). > :#!/usr/bin/perl > while (<>) > > chomp; > print "$_\r\n"; > } > > Have fun . . . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIng Yu > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:34 PM > Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint > > > > I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network > > printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: > > > > 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure > > --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on > > 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, > > pqlist and nprint. > > 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing > > 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the > > servername/login name in. > > 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to > > print using nprint -q printername filename > > > > The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each > > line is printed under the previous line but after the last > > character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first > > few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden > > characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with > > some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me > > what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ming > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux ming ---------------------- From dwing13@ucla.edu Thu, 4 May 2000 22:41:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:41:38 -0700 From: Donald Wong dwing13@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] .login I can't seem to locate the .login file in my home directory, and I did a search and nothing came up. Do I have to create one? From yichingw@seas.ucla.edu Fri, 5 May 2000 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Clara Wu yichingw@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision and i am free of those virus :) ________________________________________________ Wu, Yi-Ching, Clara, PhD candidate Civil and Environmental Engineering, UCLA. Tel(O) 310-2067162 4154 Engineering I, UCLA Los Angeles, CA90095 -------------------------------------------------- From samir@msbc.com Fri, 5 May 2000 07:23:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:23:10 -0700 From: Samir Thapa samir@msbc.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] RE: Linux digest, Vol 1 #403 - 10 msgs Pls unsubscribe me. Samir -----Original Message----- From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:11 AM To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: Linux digest, Vol 1 #403 - 10 msgs Send Linux mailing list submissions to linux@linux.ucla.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-request@linux.ucla.edu You can reach the person managing the list at linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Linux digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) (MIng Yu) 2. Re: Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) (mike chan) 3. Re: $PATH (Frederick Lee) 4. Re: Running something at shutdown? (Erik Hovland) 5. print under novell network using nprint (MIng Yu) 6. Re: print under novell network using nprint (Josh Barratt) 7. LUG Birds of a Feather (Gareth J. Greenaway) 8. Re: print under novell network using nprint (MIng Yu) 9. .login (Donald Wong) 10. I Love You virus (Clara Wu) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MIng Yu To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:27:31 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu I've installed both NT and Redhat 6.2 on my machine. So, in order to dual boot by c: drive, I need to copy a file called bootsect.lnx to my C:\ drive and add one line c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" to my C:\boot.ini file. But my question is, under what situations I have to update this file in my C:\ drive? In the NT OS loader+linux miniHowTO, it says that "A new copy of bootsect.lnx must be transfered to C:\bootsect.lnx every time the bootsector of your linux-partition has been modifiled. This happens for example when you install a new kernel with lilo." So, when I install a new kernel, I need to update this file. But what about other cases (i.e. add/remove hardware, add/remove partition and so on)? Thanks a for your help. ming ---------------------- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:37:54 -0700 To: linux@linux.ucla.edu From: mike chan Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] Lilo and NT (bootsect.lnx file) Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu the general rule is any time you run lilo to update your boot sector, you're gonna hve to go through the whole process again.. dd->file, copy file->win partition... if you modify the hard drive partitions on which your linux/nt, you probably have to redo your lilo... the problem with the NT boot loader is that you're going to need a floppy to get into your linux if your partition # changed for your linux partition, while lilo lets you pass a lot of kernel parameters that allow you to boot w/o a boot floppy... mike At 11.27 AM 5.4.2000 -0700, you wrote: >I've installed both NT and Redhat 6.2 on my machine. So, in >order to dual boot by c: drive, I need to copy a file called >bootsect.lnx to my C:\ drive and add one line >c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" to my C:\boot.ini file. But my question >is, under what situations I have to update this file in my C:\ >drive? In the NT OS loader+linux miniHowTO, it says that "A new >copy of bootsect.lnx must be transfered to C:\bootsect.lnx every >time the bootsector of your linux-partition has been modifiled. >This happens for example when you install a new kernel with >lilo." So, when I install a new kernel, I need to update this >file. But what about other cases (i.e. add/remove hardware, >add/remove partition and so on)? > >Thanks a for your help. > > > ming >---------------------- > > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:17:40 -0700 From: Frederick Lee To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] $PATH Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu On Thu, 04 May 2000 00:26:43 -0700, said Namson Tran : >Where is the PATH variable absolutely declared? Everywhere I look, I see a >reference to $PATH, but no place where PATH is actually defined. Thanks for >any help in advance. > >namson GNU bash has a built-in "absolutely minimal" PATH setting. This is configurable when the shell is being compiled (e.g. by the vendor for a binary distribution); due to Unix patterns, the most common built-in PATH is "/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" (or something along those lines). Site-specific settings are in /etc/profile and/or /etc/bashrc. If PATH isn't set in these, bash will keep its builtins. User-specific settings are in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, and/or ~/.profile. IIRC, these files inherit the settings from the site-wide files. -Fred --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:28:34 -0700 From: Erik Hovland To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] Running something at shutdown? protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J" Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:01:22PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > Erik Hovland wrote: >=20 > > Actually init level 6 is reboot, close though. 0 is the base run > > level, 1 and 2 are always passed through on the way up and on the way >=20 > Which distro is this on? Runlevel 0 is shutdown on my system. Or is > this an apples and oranges type deal? By base run level I do mean nothing going on or shutdown. Sorry, wording was confusing. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5Ed1x4U3i4m+7U54RAeYaAJ9M5TeQ66IJFrhA+oq7HS2ZgAhYPQCfeOCP ErHqciwyITpF0XEWWMHLK38= =6uil -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --D6IIOQQv2Iwyp54J-- --__--__-- Message: 5 From: MIng Yu To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:34:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, pqlist and nprint. 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the servername/login name in. 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to print using nprint -q printername filename The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each line is printed under the previous line but after the last character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? Thanks. ming ---------------------- --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Josh Barratt" To: Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:30 -0700 charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu This is called stair-stepped text -- it's due to the missing CR in unix text files. There used to be a checkbox in redhat printtool that lets you turn off stair stepped text, but it seems to be missing now (?) Anyway, here's a fix: Fixing stair-stepped text If you got stair-stepped text when you redirected text directly to the printer port, then printing a text file through lpr will be no different. The answer to this problem is to define a printer filter that will process the data before it reaches the printer (in this case, we need carriage returns added to the end of each line). Defining a printer filter is done by using the if= parameter (if stands for input filter) in your /etc/printcap file. For example, you could add this line to your printer definition (don't forget to put the slashes in appropriate places and restart lpd): :if=/usr/bin/todos: Anything that gets printed through that queue will first be passed through the todos program (which will add the necessary carriage return to the end of each line). If todos doesn't exist on your system, you can create a replacement by putting the following lines in /usr/bin/todos (don't forget to run 'chmod 755 todos' to make it executable). :#!/usr/bin/perl while (<>) chomp; print "$_\r\n"; } Have fun . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: MIng Yu To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint > I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network > printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: > > 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure > --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on > 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, > pqlist and nprint. > 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing > 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the > servername/login name in. > 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to > print using nprint -q printername filename > > The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each > line is printed under the previous line but after the last > character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first > few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden > characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with > some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me > what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? > > Thanks. > > > ming > ---------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:15:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Gareth J. Greenaway" To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] LUG Birds of a Feather Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Okay I got some good ideas from everyone in regard to this event, they are below. The date for the event is May 27th and will start around 1pm. The format of it, is as follows. We will have tables setup around the Nortel cafeteria, a section for each topic. People can then move thru out the room to the various areas were the various topics will be discussed. There will not be demonstrations there, it is just discussions. I repeat, No demonstrations. That being said there will be one person for each topic that will act as the organizer, not the moderator but just someone to hang out at the table, etc. Any questions anyone has please let me know. Thanks guys. Current List of Topics ---------------------- Security Web Development Tools (web servers,scripting languages) GUIs(best,worst,etc) Linux IDEs (integrated development enviroment) GUI programming (QT,GTK,FLTK,etc) Multmedia programming (graphics/sound) Linux Database solutions Graphics Manipulation Instant Messaging (AIM,ICQ) Linux on different architectures (Sparc,Alpha, ARM) --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org --__--__-- Message: 8 From: MIng Yu To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Cc: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:34:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu The problem is that I'm not using printtool to configure the novell network printer but doing this through IPX. It doesn't use printcap file. Do you know where I should put the printer filter then? Thanks. On Thu, 04 May 2000 15:00:30 -0700 Josh Barratt wrote: > This is called stair-stepped text -- it's due to the missing CR in unix text > files. There used to be a checkbox in redhat printtool that lets you turn > off stair stepped text, but it seems to be missing now (?) > > Anyway, here's a fix: > Fixing stair-stepped text > > If you got stair-stepped text when you redirected text directly to the > printer port, then printing a text file through lpr will be no different. > The answer to this problem is to define a printer filter that will process > the data before it reaches the printer (in this case, we need carriage > returns added to the end of each line). > > Defining a printer filter is done by using the if= parameter (if stands for > input filter) in your /etc/printcap file. For example, you could add this > line to your printer definition (don't forget to put the slashes in > appropriate places and restart lpd): > > :if=/usr/bin/todos: > Anything that gets printed through that queue will first be passed through > the todos program (which will add the necessary carriage return to the end > of each line). If todos doesn't exist on your system, you can create a > replacement by putting the following lines in /usr/bin/todos (don't forget > to run 'chmod 755 todos' to make it executable). > :#!/usr/bin/perl > while (<>) > > chomp; > print "$_\r\n"; > } > > Have fun . . . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIng Yu > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:34 PM > Subject: [UCLA-LUG] print under novell network using nprint > > > > I've configured my linux to be able to print to a novell network > > printer using IPX. Here is what I've done: > > > > 1. in file /etc/rc.d/rc.local, add one line: /sbin/ipx_configure > > --auto_interface=on --auto_primary=on > > 2. in /usr/bin, chmod 4755 to files slist, ncpmount, ncpumount, > > pqlist and nprint. > > 3. under my home directory, mkdir printing > > 4. under home directory, create a file .nwclient with the > > servername/login name in. > > 5. after "ncpmount printing" to the network printer, I'm able to > > print using nprint -q printername filename > > > > The printer does print my file, but there is one problem. Each > > line is printed under the previous line but after the last > > character of the previous line. So, it can only print the first > > few lines and stop. It seems that there are some hidden > > characters before each line so the printer recognizes it with > > some special meaning and indent that line. Could you tell me > > what could cause this problem and how I can fix it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ming > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux ming ---------------------- --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Donald Wong" To: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:41:38 -0700 charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [UCLA-LUG] .login Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu I can't seem to locate the .login file in my home directory, and I did a search and nothing came up. Do I have to create one? --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Clara Wu To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision and i am free of those virus :) ________________________________________________ Wu, Yi-Ching, Clara, PhD candidate Civil and Environmental Engineering, UCLA. Tel(O) 310-2067162 4154 Engineering I, UCLA Los Angeles, CA90095 -------------------------------------------------- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux End of Linux Digest From gareth@wiked.org Fri, 5 May 2000 15:30:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:30:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] .login Note: .login is only used if you are using C shell. On most modern distribution the default shell is bash. Look for .bashrc and .bash_propfile in your home directory. On Thu, 4 May 2000, Donald Wong wrote: > I can't seem to locate the .login file in my home directory, and I did a > search and nothing came up. Do I have to create one? > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From uzi@linuxcare.com Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:32 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] .login * Gareth J. Greenaway [000505 09:02]: > Note: .login is only used if you are using C shell. On most modern > distribution the default shell is bash. Look for .bashrc and > .bash_propfile in your home directory. *cough* *cough*... some of us use csh or csh derivatives (tcsh) ya know. :) I use tcsh personally... I've been tempted to try zsh for a while... I'll do it eventually... > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Donald Wong wrote: > > I can't seem to locate the .login file in my home directory, and I did a > > search and nothing came up. Do I have to create one? No, you do not *need* one. It's a feature for you to enable something on your first login. Mine is fairly blank: echo "Welcome `whoami` to machine `uname -n`." That's it. :) Everything I have is in my .cshrc/.tcshrc file... -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From uzi@linuxcare.com Fri, 5 May 2000 09:31:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:31:13 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus * Clara Wu [000505 09:02]: > Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! > > Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision > and i am free of those virus :) Heh... welcome to the club. :) The customer site I've been at yesterday had flyers posted around the building warning people about the virus. I just looked at them and giggled. :) -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:37 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Fri, 5 May 2000 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT), said Clara Wu : > >Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! > >Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision >and i am free of those virus :) > > >________________________________________________ >Wu, Yi-Ching, Clara, PhD candidate >Civil and Environmental Engineering, UCLA. >Tel(O) 310-2067162 >4154 Engineering I, UCLA >Los Angeles, CA90095 >-------------------------------------------------- Waaah! I feel so left out! First Melissa, now this, and I didn't even get a scrap of either. Not only am I glad in choosing Linux and GNU as bases for my OS, but I'm also glad in choosing mailx(1) as my MUA. Much more scrutiny per message. :p -Fred From MAILER-DAEMON@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com 6 May 2000 11:56:38 -0000 Date: 6 May 2000 11:56:38 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com MAILER-DAEMON@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : preline: fatal: unable to run procmail: file does not exist --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17699 invoked from network); 6 May 2000 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from localhost.resnet.ucla.edu (127.0.0.1) by localhost.resnet.ucla.edu with SMTP; 6 May 2000 11:56:14 -0000 CC: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: testing testing From somone@somewhere.penguinpowered.com 6 May 2000 11:59:09 -0000 Date: 6 May 2000 11:59:09 -0000 From: somone@somewhere.penguinpowered.com somone@somewhere.penguinpowered.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] testing testing From mfasheh Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:18 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:18 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] irritating people On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 07:23:10AM -0700, Samir Thapa wrote: > Pls unsubscribe me. > > Samir > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu] > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:11 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Linux digest, Vol 1 #403 - 10 msgs > > > > Send Linux mailing list submissions to > linux@linux.ucla.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linux-request@linux.ucla.edu > You can reach the person managing the list at > linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Linux digest..." > It's amazing how many people absolutely _refuse_ to read the e-mail headers. It says it right there, in the very begining of the message. I can count two places here where this guy has completely ignored our requests... Well anyways, if anyone is wondering, his account is gone (good riddance!). --Mark From larva@lillith.mit.edu Sat, 6 May 2000 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Fri, 5 May 2000, Clara Wu wrote: > Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! > > Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision > and i am free of those virus :) I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy to use' OS. Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than I do virii!!! :?) From daveey@ucla.edu Sat, 6 May 2000 21:03:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:03:28 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > On Fri, 5 May 2000, Clara Wu wrote: > > Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! > > > > Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision > > and i am free of those virus :) > > I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs > may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > to use' OS. > > Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, > and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). > I would think the amount of viruses for an OS can be better correlated to the user base, not the quality of the api. Sure MacOs has less virii, but also less users. The same stands for Linux and Be. > There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than > I do virii!!! :?) Would you rather have more virii than alerts? I would prefere neither. > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sat, 6 May 2000 21:48:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:48:03 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sat, 6 May 2000 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Fri, 5 May 2000, Clara Wu wrote: >> Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! >> >> Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision >> and i am free of those virus :) > >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy >to use' OS. > > Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, >and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). > >There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than >I do virii!!! :?) I just realized something interesting... if not for the destructive aspect, and a little bit more planning, this could have been a very good real-world test of the Six Degrees (Of Separation) Theory -- that any one person can be connected to another in a chain of friend-of-a-friend within six hops (degrees). ("A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of mine is Linus Torvalds!") Or maybe something akin to calculating the width of the WWW, which was something like the average number of hyperlinks to get to any one random site from another, but done in the e-mail world instead. On another note, I haven't gotten *anything* in my mailbox wrt to this particular strain of mail watchamacallit (virus? worm? Microsoft Innovation(TM)?). I sorta feel left out. -Fred From daveey@ucla.edu Sat, 6 May 2000 21:58:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:58:57 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Well, this is just a more annoying version of the old Melissa, which could be viewed the same way. Its not good news for mail servers regardless of what it does to your desktop. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Frederick Lee > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:48 PM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > On Sat, 6 May 2000 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley > : > >On Fri, 5 May 2000, Clara Wu wrote: > >> Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! > >> > >> Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision > >> and i am free of those virus :) > > > >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs > >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > >to use' OS. > > > > Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, > >and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). > > > >There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than > >I do virii!!! :?) > > I just realized something interesting... if not for the > destructive aspect, > and a little bit more planning, this could have been a very good > real-world > test of the Six Degrees (Of Separation) Theory -- that any one > person can be > connected to another in a chain of friend-of-a-friend within six > hops (degrees). > ("A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of > mine is Linus Torvalds!") > > Or maybe something akin to calculating the width of the WWW, which was > something like the average number of hyperlinks to get to any one > random site > from another, but done in the e-mail world instead. > > On another note, I haven't gotten *anything* in my mailbox wrt to this > particular strain of mail watchamacallit (virus? worm? Microsoft > Innovation(TM)?). > I sorta feel left out. > > > -Fred > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From snotty@linux.com Sat, 06 May 2000 23:20:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:20:44 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... my take on the virus... =) i like how everyone class this a virus... =) its just a program that exploits things that are perfectly within a program's ability to do... =) kinda retarded that an email with vb script would be able to send email out other users, and people will actually *run* random forwards... =) the people that were working w/ me had their NT/Win9x machines in the *whole* company ravaged by this "virus"... kinda funny to me that a script file can cause billions in damage... =) that alone should be enough to switch over to a unix based email system... same reason why i think sun machines are well worth the money now... everything just works... =) i put an adaptec scsi card into my box, and now win2k likes to hang about every 4 hours, and i've wasted countless hours trying to fix it... ah well.. =) go linux =p mike snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From daveey@ucla.edu Sat, 6 May 2000 23:49:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:49:17 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached shell scripts. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of mike chan > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 11:21 PM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... > > > my take on the virus... =) > > i like how everyone class this a virus... =) its just a program that > exploits things that are perfectly within a program's ability to do... =) > > kinda retarded that an email with vb script would be able to send > email out > other users, and people will actually *run* random forwards... =) > > the people that were working w/ me had their NT/Win9x machines in the > *whole* company ravaged by this "virus"... kinda funny to me that a script > file can cause billions in damage... =) that alone should be enough to > switch over to a unix based email system... same reason why i think sun > machines are well worth the money now... everything just works... =) i put > an adaptec scsi card into my box, and now win2k likes to hang > about every 4 > hours, and i've wasted countless hours trying to fix it... > ah well.. =) > > go linux =p > > mike > snotty e/c > PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From witten@linux.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 00:07:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:07:40 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 11:49:17PM -0700, David Braginsky wrote: > Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of > executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The > virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The > only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine > would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not > familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, > but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached > shell scripts. Putting aside for a moment the fact that most Linux mail clients are smart enough not to blindly run any script that they receive via an email, I think you bring up a fairly important point. The granularity of security offered by most modern operating systems, Unix and Windows included, is rather lacking. If you want to run a program, you must give it all the priveleges of your user account, so that it has access to all the files that *you* have access to. This is inane. As a means of illustration, lets say you're the manager of a bank. If you ran your bank with security similar to Unix or Windows, you would freely give your janitor the keys to everything in your bank, the bathroom and the vault alike, irrespective of which keys he actually needs to do his job. This violates the Principle of Least Authority, which states that you should only grant an agent the least possible authority that they need in order to successfully carry out their job. So if an email client ran according to this principle, it would only have access to a small subset of your total user privileges, and that subset would correspond exactly with the capabilities it would need in order to accomplish its task. If common operating systems were written with this sort of capability-based security in mind, then viruses, worms, and trojans would be a thing of the past. (Yes, both Linux and NT have kludged-on weak support for some capability stuff, but, as various essays on the topic will tell you, you can't bolt on capability support to an existing ACL / non-capability system and expect to get any of the security benefits of true capabilities.) Okay, that's my mild rant of the month. -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From snotty@linux.com Sun, 07 May 2000 00:04:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:04:45 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... just some FUD.. =p hahaha... but i think this is more of a problem of "uniformity" =p the people who are running windows based email systems are more prevalent.. and thus cuases more damage when a worm of that type is unleashed... in my experience, the security systems for linux/unix with more defined and though out security makes it harder for viruses to damage system files and other files that the user shouldn't be able to access... the default security on NT boxes allows users to throw all sorts of programs around the system... the same reason that viruses can hit NT/9x systems more easily is the same reason why games run "better" in 9x, than in NT, than in Unix... =) my main point was that users should be made more aware of what not to run, and realize that email is like any other form of communication.. how much would you trust a package from a complete stranger that arrived at your doorstep kind of thing... =) At 11.49 PM 5.6.2000 -0700, you wrote: >Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of >executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The >virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The >only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine >would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not >familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, >but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached >shell scripts. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On >> Behalf Of mike chan >> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 11:21 PM >> To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >> Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... >> >> >> my take on the virus... =) >> >> i like how everyone class this a virus... =) its just a program that >> exploits things that are perfectly within a program's ability to do... =) >> >> kinda retarded that an email with vb script would be able to send >> email out >> other users, and people will actually *run* random forwards... =) >> >> the people that were working w/ me had their NT/Win9x machines in the >> *whole* company ravaged by this "virus"... kinda funny to me that a script >> file can cause billions in damage... =) that alone should be enough to >> switch over to a unix based email system... same reason why i think sun >> machines are well worth the money now... everything just works... =) i put >> an adaptec scsi card into my box, and now win2k likes to hang >> about every 4 >> hours, and i've wasted countless hours trying to fix it... >> ah well.. =) >> >> go linux =p >> >> mike >> snotty e/c >> PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >> http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux >> > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From snotty@linux.com Sun, 07 May 2000 00:13:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:13:14 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... dan, i think its time you wrote up a capabilities OS.. =) NT/Win2k uses a role/policy based system.. that isn't bad.. but needs to be WAY more extensive... =) if it were extensible like XML, it would be great... this is a massive awesome project that someone w/ a lot of time and money should take up.. =p write the first production level OS =) now here's a question.. do programming API's need to change, or is this strictly a OS level enforced thing... wouldn't the email program have to "say" that it's an email program? could an email program emulate a "file browser" and therefore gain its' capabilities to modify files? i just find it funny that programs like outlook actually have a "super-low i don't care if i get hit by a virus security level" where it allows any file to just be executed... =p ah well.. people just need to clue in.. =p haha mike At 12.07 AM 5.7.2000 -0700, you wrote: >On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 11:49:17PM -0700, David Braginsky wrote: >> Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of >> executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The >> virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The >> only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine >> would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not >> familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, >> but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached >> shell scripts. > >Putting aside for a moment the fact that most Linux mail clients are smart >enough not to blindly run any script that they receive via an email, I think >you bring up a fairly important point. > >The granularity of security offered by most modern operating systems, Unix >and Windows included, is rather lacking. If you want to run a program, you >must give it all the priveleges of your user account, so that it has access >to all the files that *you* have access to. This is inane. > >As a means of illustration, lets say you're the manager of a bank. If you >ran your bank with security similar to Unix or Windows, you would freely >give your janitor the keys to everything in your bank, the bathroom and the >vault alike, irrespective of which keys he actually needs to do his job. >This violates the Principle of Least Authority, which states that you should >only grant an agent the least possible authority that they need in order to >successfully carry out their job. > >So if an email client ran according to this principle, it would only have >access to a small subset of your total user privileges, and that subset >would correspond exactly with the capabilities it would need in order to >accomplish its task. If common operating systems were written with this sort >of capability-based security in mind, then viruses, worms, and trojans would >be a thing of the past. > >(Yes, both Linux and NT have kludged-on weak support for some capability >stuff, but, as various essays on the topic will tell you, you can't bolt on >capability support to an existing ACL / non-capability system and expect to >get any of the security benefits of true capabilities.) > >Okay, that's my mild rant of the month. > >-- >Dan Helfman >UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu >My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 00:19:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:19:40 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sat, 6 May 2000 21:03:28 -0700, said "David Braginsky" : > >> On Fri, 5 May 2000, Clara Wu wrote: >> > Within today, i got 5 times virus alert! >> > >> > Don't know how to say, i just feel i choose linux is correct decision >> > and i am free of those virus :) >> >> I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs >> may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can >> run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy >> to use' OS. >> >> Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, >> and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). >> > > I would think the amount of viruses for an OS can be better correlated to >the user base, not the quality of the api. Sure MacOs has less virii, but >also less users. The same stands for Linux and Be. OK, how about these random little out-of-context data thrown about: Linux as an OS has a user base population on par with that of MacOS. Which is more susceptible to virus? Don't give me that age crap, either. Linux-based OS's are so primed for virus _writing_: effectively bundled compiler, debugger, assembler, machine descriptions, full kernel source, full access to libc sources and nearly all major system programs, yadda yadda, all Free. Yet a virus of the MS-DOS days is so far unknown in Linux. And it's already nearly a decade old. On a sheer numerical basis, there are far more users of MS-Windows NT than MS-DOS versions <=6.2. On a similar numerical basis, the number of viruses under MS-DOS are far more numerous that those under NT. I would say this is more a result that MS got a clue when slapping NT together, than there being less NT users than DOS users. The most widely used PC OS today is some variation on Microsoft's 16/32 bit hybrid GUI OS. This also happens to be the least security-conscious. For that matter, the least conscious (period) as well, but that's another issue. In such a situation, it would be difficult to determine whether virus counts are higher due to larger user base, or a dumber design. On sheer numerical basis (again), more Windows 9x users than MS-DOS <= 6.2. Virus count in Windows 9x is fairly lower than that in MS-DOS. OTOH, less virus counts, but each has bigger potential for bigger damage now. I also don't remember a MS-DOS e-mail reader with integrated scripting capabilities executable from within mail content hooked up to an address book and talking to a buddy-buddy mail server. There are a number of companies that depend on virus elimination for survival. To eliminate virii, the virus needs to exist first. By syllogism, these companies have a vested interest in new viruses cropping up. Now, I'm not saying some software company has deliberately gone around to plant a debilitating virus, but it does raise the question if any serious attention is paid to making it difficult for a virus to survive in the underlying OS. Especially if these anti-virus companies are heaving heavy royalties/tributes in the general direction of the OS maker as long as they're around... Rehashed-to-death points I'd like to bring up to rehash beyond death: Heterogenity helps contain viral damage. Consider the damage a potato blight could cause to an entire country chock full of nothing but potato crops. (can't think of others. should stop ranting so much) > >> There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than >> I do virii!!! :?) > >Would you rather have more virii than alerts? I would prefere neither. > Ditto. That's why I prefer avoiding virus-susceptible software, and minimizing or locking down use of such otherwise. -Fred From thefonz@fonz.net Sun, 07 May 2000 00:26:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:26:35 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch thefonz@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > On another note, I haven't gotten *anything* in my mailbox wrt to this > particular strain of mail watchamacallit (virus? worm? Microsoft Innovation(TM)?). > I sorta feel left out. > > -Fred > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux If it will make you feel better I can send you a copy of the virus. It hit my school pretty badly. Teachers and students were crying because of the loss of their images (it replaces you JPEGs with the virus) . There were about 6 announcements over the school loud speakers telling people not to open e-mails with the virus but nobody listened. Cleaning it up is a mess when people are still sending it out to each other. Too bad Exchange cant block e-mails by subject/attachment/etc with out expensive 3rd party software. Ilan From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 00:38:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:38:01 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 07 May 2000 00:26:35 -0700, said Ilan Rabinovitch : >> On another note, I haven't gotten *anything* in my mailbox wrt to this >> particular strain of mail watchamacallit (virus? worm? Microsoft Innovation(TM)?). >> I sorta feel left out. >> >> -Fred > >If it will make you feel better I can send you a copy of the virus. It hit my >school pretty badly. Teachers and students were crying because of the loss of >their images (it replaces you JPEGs with the virus) . There were about 6 >announcements over the school loud speakers telling people not to open e-mails >with the virus but nobody listened. Cleaning it up is a mess when people are >still sending it out to each other. Too bad Exchange cant block e-mails by >subject/attachment/etc with out expensive 3rd party software. > >Ilan Couple of things. 1. b/c of DMCA, it's probably illegal for you to deliberately send a virus(?) to me even if I asked for it. 2. Word in the grapevine has it that the files are not replaced, but that the origs are stashed away with the hidden attribute. One way to verify this is to see if free disk space did go suspiciously way up after an attack. The other is to mount the volume in Linux then "ls -a". -Fred From snotty@linux.com Sun, 07 May 2000 00:37:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:37:38 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus yup... like i said.. consultants trying to help me find a house in austin.. had their entire company shut down for a day and a half 'cause the virus blew up everyone's machine.. =p sad part is... bugtraq found the bug a whole two days before the mass media/most people got it... sendmail already had a patch (subject/rules) within hours of the initial annoucement... two days later.. i hear everyone i know who's running MS has got hit... the sad part is that this isn't even new!!! slapped twice the same way... melissa moved around in almost the same fashion... then there were the melissa clones... now the iluvu clones.. =p people just will never learn.. =p BTW, if anyone wants it, i got it too... VBScript.. yea.. fun.. =p no compilation necessary! =p my friend was all.. check this out... i got the source code... its like no duh! its a scripting language! =p mike At 12.26 AM 5.7.2000 -0700, you wrote: >> On another note, I haven't gotten *anything* in my mailbox wrt to this >> particular strain of mail watchamacallit (virus? worm? Microsoft Innovation(TM)?). >> I sorta feel left out. >> >> -Fred >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >> http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > >If it will make you feel better I can send you a copy of the virus. It hit my school >pretty badly. Teachers and students were crying because of the loss of their images >(it replaces you JPEGs with the virus) . There were about 6 announcements over the >school loud speakers telling people not to open e-mails with the virus but nobody >listened. Cleaning it up is a mess when people are still sending it out to each >other. Too bad Exchange cant block e-mails by subject/attachment/etc with out >expensive 3rd party software. > >Ilan > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 00:46:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:46:45 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On a far more constructive note, I'd like to discuss problem-fixing. I'd say "solution", except that's already been high-jacked by the computer industry to mean a set of software. First of all, what were the problems involved that (1) allowed such a virus to propagate. (2) allowed it to propagate so madly. Next, what would it take to prevent such an outbreak next time? When such an outbreak does occur, what can help in (1) identifying an outbreak even occurred. (2) containing the outbreak. And finally, what means to repair the damage afterwards? This is primarily a preventative measure, since you can't repair something if you don't know what it's supposed to look like in the first place. The obvious answer is "backups", so I guess a better phrasing would be "what steps should be taken in order to repair damages afterwards?". There are other things I'd like to touch on, except I'm sleep-deprived and forgot half the things I wanted to bring up. -Fred From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 00:55:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:55:55 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach could be used with mail clients. Other possibilities include detecting that a message containing the same attachment was just forwarded 2000 times, and to no longer forward it. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Frederick Lee > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 12:47 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > On a far more constructive note, I'd like to discuss problem-fixing. > I'd say "solution", except that's already been high-jacked by the computer > industry to mean a set of software. > > > First of all, what were the problems involved that > (1) allowed such a virus to propagate. > (2) allowed it to propagate so madly. > > > Next, what would it take to prevent such an outbreak next time? > > > When such an outbreak does occur, what can help in > (1) identifying an outbreak even occurred. > (2) containing the outbreak. > > > And finally, what means to repair the damage afterwards? This is > primarily > a preventative measure, since you can't repair something if you don't know > what it's supposed to look like in the first place. The obvious answer is > "backups", so I guess a better phrasing would be "what steps > should be taken > in order to repair damages afterwards?". > > > There are other things I'd like to touch on, except I'm sleep-deprived and > forgot half the things I wanted to bring up. > > -Fred > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From snotty@linux.com Sun, 07 May 2000 01:03:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:03:31 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus both are damn near impossible.. =p keep a database of all unique emails sent... w/ something like a md5... the db would be huge... #2, searching through the db to check if the mail should be sent would kill any server... the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would still be different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email server must support that functionality... =) mike At 12.55 AM 5.7.2000 -0700, you wrote: >How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages >containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could >monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and added >to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach >could be used with mail clients. > >Other possibilities include detecting that a message containing the same >attachment was just forwarded 2000 times, and to no longer forward it. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On >> Behalf Of Frederick Lee >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 12:47 AM >> To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >> Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >> >> >> On a far more constructive note, I'd like to discuss problem-fixing. >> I'd say "solution", except that's already been high-jacked by the computer >> industry to mean a set of software. >> >> >> First of all, what were the problems involved that >> (1) allowed such a virus to propagate. >> (2) allowed it to propagate so madly. >> >> >> Next, what would it take to prevent such an outbreak next time? >> >> >> When such an outbreak does occur, what can help in >> (1) identifying an outbreak even occurred. >> (2) containing the outbreak. >> >> >> And finally, what means to repair the damage afterwards? This is >> primarily >> a preventative measure, since you can't repair something if you don't know >> what it's supposed to look like in the first place. The obvious answer is >> "backups", so I guess a better phrasing would be "what steps >> should be taken >> in order to repair damages afterwards?". >> >> >> There are other things I'd like to touch on, except I'm sleep-deprived and >> forgot half the things I wanted to bring up. >> >> -Fred >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >> http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux >> > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:18:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:18:09 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Dude, i am not saying check for identical emails, just patterns. Its enough to find a pattern in the executable and put it in the db. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of mike chan > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:04 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > both are damn near impossible.. =p keep a database of all unique emails > sent... w/ something like a md5... the db would be huge... #2, searching > through the db to check if the mail should be sent would kill any > server... > > the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would still be > different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email server > must support that functionality... =) > > mike > > At 12.55 AM 5.7.2000 -0700, you wrote: > >How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > >containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This > software could > >monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is > discovered and added > >to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > same approach > >could be used with mail clients. > > > >Other possibilities include detecting that a message containing the same > >attachment was just forwarded 2000 times, and to no longer forward it. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > >> Behalf Of Frederick Lee > >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 12:47 AM > >> To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >> Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >> > >> > >> On a far more constructive note, I'd like to discuss problem-fixing. > >> I'd say "solution", except that's already been high-jacked by > the computer > >> industry to mean a set of software. > >> > >> > >> First of all, what were the problems involved that > >> (1) allowed such a virus to propagate. > >> (2) allowed it to propagate so madly. > >> > >> > >> Next, what would it take to prevent such an outbreak next time? > >> > >> > >> When such an outbreak does occur, what can help in > >> (1) identifying an outbreak even occurred. > >> (2) containing the outbreak. > >> > >> > >> And finally, what means to repair the damage afterwards? This is > >> primarily > >> a preventative measure, since you can't repair something if > you don't know > >> what it's supposed to look like in the first place. The > obvious answer is > >> "backups", so I guess a better phrasing would be "what steps > >> should be taken > >> in order to repair damages afterwards?". > >> > >> > >> There are other things I'd like to touch on, except I'm > sleep-deprived and > >> forgot half the things I wanted to bring up. > >> > >> -Fred > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > >> http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > snotty e/c > PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From witten@linux.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:20:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:20:29 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 12:13:14AM -0700, mike chan wrote: > dan, > > i think its time you wrote up a capabilities OS.. =) It's already been done: http://www.eros.org/ But it sounds like it would be a fun thing to write. So many projects, so little time! > NT/Win2k uses a role/policy based system.. that isn't bad.. but needs to > be WAY more extensive... =) I really don't think a role/policy system is the way to go. Correct me if I'm wrong, but each person is given a role, which comes along with certain abilities that can be granted or taken away. But the checks for whether you are performing a valid action are done *every time you perform that action* (.. the same way Unix file permission checks are done every time you try to access a file). This means there are a whole slew of messy if-statement checks that have to be done in order to figure out whether you're granted access to doing something. This is Bad because 1) it's slow, and 2) it's very complex and thus error-prone (see Ockham's Razor), which doesn't bode well for system security. With capabilities, there *are no checks* to see whether you can perform an action! If you have a capability to do something, you can just go ahead and do it. No overhead, no testing. The only way that you can't do something is if you don't have a capability to do it in the first place. It's like the combination to a safe. The safe doesn't check whether you're a system administrator or whether you're in the wheel group before it'll let you open it. If you have the combination, you're in. And the only way you can *get* the combination to begin with is legitimately, because you can't forge capabilities (more on this below). > if it were extensible like XML, it would be great... this is a massive > awesome project that someone w/ a lot of time and money should take up.. > =p write the first production level OS =) now here's a question.. do > programming API's need to change, or is this strictly a OS level enforced > thing... There are two basic ways I know of to implement capability-based security. One is at the OS level, where a capability is essentially just special hidden bits in memory.. that signify whether you have access to a certain object. Think of it as a sort of unforgeable pointer composed of bits that an application program or user can never see or modify. With the pointer, you can access the object it points to all you want: make copies of the capability, pass it to another process to delegate some work, whatever. Without the pointer, it is absolutely impossible to access the object because you have no way of getting a pointer to it! This is how Eros and its predecessor KeyKos do capabilities. The other way to implement capabilities is at the language-level, so that you have your compiler do compile-time checking to make sure that no capabilities are forged and that no memory is accessed except as allowed by the capabilities that an object has. The obvious downside of solely language-level capability checking is that a rogue binary can upset the whole security model. So obviously OS-level capability-based security is necessary if you want to be able to run untrusted binaries securely. > wouldn't the email program have to "say" that it's an email program? could > an email program emulate a "file browser" and therefore gain its' > capabilities to modify files? Nope, instead of a program having a "role" and getting abilities as a result of which role it has, the user operating the program grants it the minimal capabilities it needs. So when you first install your email client, the sysadmin might give it a capability to connect to the local mail server, and maybe a read-only capability to the program's own site-wide configuration file. It doesn't need to do anything else (externally), so you don't give it the *ability* to do anything else. If on a particular occasion you want to attach a file to a document, you might give it a temporary capability to the single file on your system that you want to send in your email. But it doesn't need any access to any other files in order to send your one document. There are some interesting implications of this security model.. the whole Unix notion of a traditional filesystem would have to go out the window. Right now, you request to open a file and the OS checks whether you're allowed to. With capability-based security, it would be impossible for a program to request to open a file unless it was actually able to open it. So there would need to be some sort of means of representing a capability to a file.. like an unforgeable filehandle composed of hidden bits. Eros handles this problem by not even having a filesystem at all. :) > i just find it funny that programs like outlook actually have a "super-low > i don't care if i get hit by a virus security level" where it allows any > file to just be executed... =p ah well.. people just need to clue in.. =p > haha Yeah, I think that this is one valid complaint that can be made in regards to Windows and macro viruses. Although Microsoft could conceivably port Outlook to Linux and have the same security problems, the fact of the matter is that most Linux mail programs are slightly smarter when it comes to untrusted scripts. > > mike -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From cbs@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > same approach could be used with mail clients. you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? -chris From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:35:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:35:55 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... perhaps i am missing something, or perhaps you didn't double-check the url? > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Dan Helfman > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:20 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... > > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 12:13:14AM -0700, mike chan wrote: > > dan, > > > > i think its time you wrote up a capabilities OS.. =) > > It's already been done: http://www.eros.org/ > > But it sounds like it would be a fun thing to write. So many projects, so > little time! > > > NT/Win2k uses a role/policy based system.. that isn't bad.. but needs to > > be WAY more extensive... =) > > I really don't think a role/policy system is the way to go. Correct me if > I'm wrong, but each person is given a role, which comes along with certain > abilities that can be granted or taken away. But the checks for > whether you > are performing a valid action are done *every time you perform > that action* > (.. the same way Unix file permission checks are done every time > you try to > access a file). This means there are a whole slew of messy if-statement > checks that have to be done in order to figure out whether you're granted > access to doing something. This is Bad because 1) it's slow, and 2) it's > very complex and thus error-prone (see Ockham's Razor), which doesn't bode > well for system security. > > With capabilities, there *are no checks* to see whether you can perform an > action! If you have a capability to do something, you can just go > ahead and > do it. No overhead, no testing. The only way that you can't do > something is > if you don't have a capability to do it in the first place. It's like the > combination to a safe. The safe doesn't check whether you're a system > administrator or whether you're in the wheel group before it'll > let you open > it. If you have the combination, you're in. And the only way you can *get* > the combination to begin with is legitimately, because you can't forge > capabilities (more on this below). > > > if it were extensible like XML, it would be great... this is a massive > > awesome project that someone w/ a lot of time and money should take up.. > > =p write the first production level OS =) now here's a question.. do > > programming API's need to change, or is this strictly a OS > level enforced > > thing... > > There are two basic ways I know of to implement capability-based security. > One is at the OS level, where a capability is essentially just special > hidden bits in memory.. that signify whether you have access to a certain > object. Think of it as a sort of unforgeable pointer composed of bits that > an application program or user can never see or modify. With the pointer, > you can access the object it points to all you want: make copies of the > capability, pass it to another process to delegate some work, whatever. > Without the pointer, it is absolutely impossible to access the object > because you have no way of getting a pointer to it! This is how > Eros and its > predecessor KeyKos do capabilities. > > The other way to implement capabilities is at the language-level, so that > you have your compiler do compile-time checking to make sure that no > capabilities are forged and that no memory is accessed except as > allowed by > the capabilities that an object has. The obvious downside of solely > language-level capability checking is that a rogue binary can upset the > whole security model. So obviously OS-level capability-based security is > necessary if you want to be able to run untrusted binaries securely. > > > wouldn't the email program have to "say" that it's an email > program? could > > an email program emulate a "file browser" and therefore gain its' > > capabilities to modify files? > > Nope, instead of a program having a "role" and getting abilities > as a result > of which role it has, the user operating the program grants it the minimal > capabilities it needs. So when you first install your email client, the > sysadmin might give it a capability to connect to the local mail > server, and > maybe a read-only capability to the program's own site-wide configuration > file. It doesn't need to do anything else (externally), so you > don't give it > the *ability* to do anything else. If on a particular occasion you want to > attach a file to a document, you might give it a temporary > capability to the > single file on your system that you want to send in your email. But it > doesn't need any access to any other files in order to send your one > document. > > There are some interesting implications of this security model.. the whole > Unix notion of a traditional filesystem would have to go out the window. > Right now, you request to open a file and the OS checks whether you're > allowed to. With capability-based security, it would be impossible for a > program to request to open a file unless it was actually able to > open it. So > there would need to be some sort of means of representing a > capability to a > file.. like an unforgeable filehandle composed of hidden bits. > Eros handles > this problem by not even having a filesystem at all. :) > > > i just find it funny that programs like outlook actually have a > "super-low > > i don't care if i get hit by a virus security level" where it allows any > > file to just be executed... =p ah well.. people just need to > clue in.. =p > > haha > > Yeah, I think that this is one valid complaint that can be made in regards > to Windows and macro viruses. Although Microsoft could conceivably port > Outlook to Linux and have the same security problems, the fact of > the matter > is that most Linux mail programs are slightly smarter when it comes to > untrusted scripts. > > > > > mike > > -- > Dan Helfman > UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu > My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:36:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:36:57 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of chris > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > -chris > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From witten@linux.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:40:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:40:53 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 01:35:55AM -0700, David Braginsky wrote: > perhaps i am missing something, or perhaps you didn't double-check the url? Hahah. My bad.. didn't check the URL. Here's the one I *meant* to say: http://www.eros-os.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > Behalf Of Dan Helfman > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:20 AM > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... > > > > > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 12:13:14AM -0700, mike chan wrote: > > > dan, > > > > > > i think its time you wrote up a capabilities OS.. =) > > > > It's already been done: http://www.eros.org/ > > > > But it sounds like it would be a fun thing to write. So many projects, so > > little time! > > > > > NT/Win2k uses a role/policy based system.. that isn't bad.. but needs to > > > be WAY more extensive... =) > > > > I really don't think a role/policy system is the way to go. Correct me if > > I'm wrong, but each person is given a role, which comes along with certain > > abilities that can be granted or taken away. But the checks for > > whether you > > are performing a valid action are done *every time you perform > > that action* > > (.. the same way Unix file permission checks are done every time > > you try to > > access a file). This means there are a whole slew of messy if-statement > > checks that have to be done in order to figure out whether you're granted > > access to doing something. This is Bad because 1) it's slow, and 2) it's > > very complex and thus error-prone (see Ockham's Razor), which doesn't bode > > well for system security. > > > > With capabilities, there *are no checks* to see whether you can perform an > > action! If you have a capability to do something, you can just go > > ahead and > > do it. No overhead, no testing. The only way that you can't do > > something is > > if you don't have a capability to do it in the first place. It's like the > > combination to a safe. The safe doesn't check whether you're a system > > administrator or whether you're in the wheel group before it'll > > let you open > > it. If you have the combination, you're in. And the only way you can *get* > > the combination to begin with is legitimately, because you can't forge > > capabilities (more on this below). > > > > > if it were extensible like XML, it would be great... this is a massive > > > awesome project that someone w/ a lot of time and money should take up.. > > > =p write the first production level OS =) now here's a question.. do > > > programming API's need to change, or is this strictly a OS > > level enforced > > > thing... > > > > There are two basic ways I know of to implement capability-based security. > > One is at the OS level, where a capability is essentially just special > > hidden bits in memory.. that signify whether you have access to a certain > > object. Think of it as a sort of unforgeable pointer composed of bits that > > an application program or user can never see or modify. With the pointer, > > you can access the object it points to all you want: make copies of the > > capability, pass it to another process to delegate some work, whatever. > > Without the pointer, it is absolutely impossible to access the object > > because you have no way of getting a pointer to it! This is how > > Eros and its > > predecessor KeyKos do capabilities. > > > > The other way to implement capabilities is at the language-level, so that > > you have your compiler do compile-time checking to make sure that no > > capabilities are forged and that no memory is accessed except as > > allowed by > > the capabilities that an object has. The obvious downside of solely > > language-level capability checking is that a rogue binary can upset the > > whole security model. So obviously OS-level capability-based security is > > necessary if you want to be able to run untrusted binaries securely. > > > > > wouldn't the email program have to "say" that it's an email > > program? could > > > an email program emulate a "file browser" and therefore gain its' > > > capabilities to modify files? > > > > Nope, instead of a program having a "role" and getting abilities > > as a result > > of which role it has, the user operating the program grants it the minimal > > capabilities it needs. So when you first install your email client, the > > sysadmin might give it a capability to connect to the local mail > > server, and > > maybe a read-only capability to the program's own site-wide configuration > > file. It doesn't need to do anything else (externally), so you > > don't give it > > the *ability* to do anything else. If on a particular occasion you want to > > attach a file to a document, you might give it a temporary > > capability to the > > single file on your system that you want to send in your email. But it > > doesn't need any access to any other files in order to send your one > > document. > > > > There are some interesting implications of this security model.. the whole > > Unix notion of a traditional filesystem would have to go out the window. > > Right now, you request to open a file and the OS checks whether you're > > allowed to. With capability-based security, it would be impossible for a > > program to request to open a file unless it was actually able to > > open it. So > > there would need to be some sort of means of representing a > > capability to a > > file.. like an unforgeable filehandle composed of hidden bits. > > Eros handles > > this problem by not even having a filesystem at all. :) > > > > > i just find it funny that programs like outlook actually have a > > "super-low > > > i don't care if i get hit by a virus security level" where it allows any > > > file to just be executed... =p ah well.. people just need to > > clue in.. =p > > > haha > > > > Yeah, I think that this is one valid complaint that can be made in regards > > to Windows and macro viruses. Although Microsoft could conceivably port > > Outlook to Linux and have the same security problems, the fact of > > the matter > > is that most Linux mail programs are slightly smarter when it comes to > > untrusted scripts. > > > > > > > > mike > > > > -- > > Dan Helfman > > UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu > > My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From cbs@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or 4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords i like. do you trust me not to do that? -chris > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > Behalf Of chris > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > From thefonz@fonz.net Sun, 07 May 2000 02:04:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:04:45 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch thefonz@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus mike chan wrote: > > the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would still be > different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email server > must support that functionality... =) Which popular mail servers have that functionality? I know that Exchange needs 3rd part software to do it. Ilan From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 02:12:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:12:20 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus I trust macaffe to send me their virus definitions don't i? > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of chris > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:41 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you > credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or > 4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords > i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > -chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > Behalf Of chris > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus > is discovered > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer > forward it. The > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From dannys@csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700 From: dannys@csua.ucla.edu dannys@csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs >> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can >> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy >> >to use' OS. A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other email addresses). Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an executable! And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 04:37:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:37:20 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700, said dannys@csua.ucla.edu: >>> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs >>> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can >>> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy >>> >to use' OS. > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other >email addresses). > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an >executable! > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... I was first aware of this listening to the Al Rantel Show on KABC radio, 790 AM, while driving to school. Within five minutes of tuning in, Al mentioned macro language, MS-Word macro virus, and VBScript (sp?) so by the time I arrived at UCLA, I already had the fortune of figuring out that the iloveyou virus was a macro virus exploiting Microsoft Outlook's... um... features. I took it for granted that others knew it was a VBscript thingamabobber, which kinda threw off a lot of my assumptions. And, anyway, being a Linux weenie, I figured that text code (e.g. macro) and executable are the same. After all, it's just a single bit difference in Unix, right? -Fred From todd@mrball.net Sun, 07 May 2000 07:38:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:38:36 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Frederick Lee wrote: > 2. Word in the grapevine has it that the files are not replaced, but that the > origs are stashed away with the hidden attribute. One way to verify this > is to see if free disk space did go suspiciously way up after an attack. > The other is to mount the volume in Linux then "ls -a". >From DOS, try "dir /a" -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Sun, 07 May 2000 07:40:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:40:43 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus David Braginsky wrote: > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could > monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and added > to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach And when this central repository is hacked and the bit pattern "From" gets added to it, then what? -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 14:48:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:48:46 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid, what if someone launched a nuclear attack? If someone is going to build a good business on this, they will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins sitting around monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of Todd A. Lyons > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 7:41 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > David Braginsky wrote: > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This > software could > > monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is > discovered and added > > to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > same approach > > And when this central repository is hacked and the bit pattern "From" > gets added to it, then what? > -- > Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From mmt@gnull.eyep.net Sun, 7 May 2000 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Tobenkin mmt@gnull.eyep.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Mail Filtering >4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords >i like. do you trust me not to do that? My solution is to run my own mail server. However, because of MX can't anyone read your mail in transit? Could this possibly mean that any server can filter mail as it is routed through it? From cbs@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid, what if someone > launched a nuclear attack? If someone is going to build a good business > on this, they will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins > sitting around monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. huh? what are you talking about? mail is transit. if you're worried about a virus, get yourself a decent virus scanner. don't do stupid things like open and run random attachments. don't expect somebody else to take care of things for you. ooh, yeah, let's make laws! that'll stop those evil criminals for sure! get real. i mean, that's essentially what you're advocating... fix the symptom, not the problem. you want to fix the problem, go and educate your users about the 95 different things they can do to not be stupid. i mean, you're talking about a situation where, in a crime ridden town [the "internet"], people leave their homes unlocked, regularly invite the criminal element inside and show them where their best stuff is.... and are surprised when they wake up the next day and it's all gone. and your solution is.... "hire more cops and make everybody register with the police department". go big brother. duh. how about instead, educate your users. teach them that people are evil and will send them evil things. teach them to lock their own doors. -chris From daveey@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 16:58:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:58:04 -0700 From: David Braginsky daveey@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Perhaps you have misunderstood the intention. I don't care about an individual user's files if they are too stupid to know when not to run random attachments. I care about mailservers that get pounded to death with email, go offline, and cause endless problems for other users. I was simply suggesting a way to prevent the mailservers from crashing. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > Behalf Of chris > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:46 PM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid, what if someone > > launched a nuclear attack? If someone is going to build a good business > > on this, they will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins > > sitting around monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. > > huh? what are you talking about? mail is transit. if you're worried > about a virus, get yourself a decent virus scanner. don't do stupid > things like open and run random attachments. don't expect somebody else > to take care of things for you. > > ooh, yeah, let's make laws! that'll stop those evil criminals for sure! > get real. i mean, that's essentially what you're advocating... fix the > symptom, not the problem. you want to fix the problem, go and educate > your users about the 95 different things they can do to not be stupid. > > i mean, you're talking about a situation where, in a crime ridden town > [the "internet"], people leave their homes unlocked, regularly invite the > criminal element inside and show them where their best stuff is.... and > are surprised when they wake up the next day and it's all gone. and your > solution is.... "hire more cops and make everybody register with the > police department". go big brother. duh. > > how about instead, educate your users. teach them that people are evil > and will send them evil things. teach them to lock their own doors. > > > -chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 19:04:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:04:38 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000 14:48:46 -0700, said "David Braginsky" : >Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid, what if someone launched >a nuclear attack? If someone is going to build a good business on this, they >will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins sitting around >monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. [snip] Well, since the US power grid is not centrally controlled, it'll take quite a bit of work to shut down the US power grid; namely, going around and decapacitating (pun?) all power stations. You can't just throw a single switch and shut off power to the US. A centralized database, you can. The obvious solution, then, would be to decentralize the database. Which brings me to another question. The current [updates] database of virus from anti-virus companies, are they centralized or not? I mean, all of them on one server, or some (legitimate) external redundancy also exist? What of Microsoft's Knowledge Base? Is that redundantly mirrored (and I don't mean just an offsite archive, but in the league of the SunSITE mirrors)? Also, what about Windows bugfixes distribution? I'm not aware of any extenisve mirroring of those; then again, I quit cold-turkey from the Microsoft cycle a couple years ago and haven't looked back. And that thing about "business". Keeping dedicated sysadmins sitting around 24x7 is (1) going to drive them crazy, even with rotations, (2) very expensive (try finding people working the graveyard shift for minimum wage?). This hints that money is going to have come from somewhere, and the tendancy of proprietary software is to charge for access to the information itself. A subscription, if you will. To wit, those paying will be benefiting from the database/updates, and those that aren't will get stung. I can't help but feel that those who opt in will still get stung indirectly by those who didn't/couldn't opt in. Here is an exploit that's bringing down machines all over the world (what they're doing all the world is another point I'd like to rant about), and only _some_ should benefit from a updates DB? OK, now, expanding on preventive measures, what about response measure? Sysadmins sitting on their ass for very long times watching for the needle in the haystack are going to get extremely bored (count the number seconds without a virus alert in a year versus the number of seconds of a virus alert). It's kinda like a fire-watcher looking over a city trying to spot fires. What'd be more useful is having a quick and appropriate response to crises. Which may probably take some training to reach. Then respond to crises on an as-needed basis; kind of what firefighters do now, responding to fire alarms or phone calls. Or like the Army Reserves. In CS terms, interrupt versus polling. But then, such a response team would be useless if there's no infrastructure to take advantage of such a resource. This is something which I think which would be well-suited to a preventive measure, e.g. the database. But then trust and authentication become issues to deal with. That's another story. (whee, back where we started...) -Fred --- Practice good netiquette when responding. Or I'll have to pound you with a ClueStick(TM) otherwise. From cbs@ucla.edu Sun, 7 May 2000 19:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > Perhaps you have misunderstood the intention. I don't care about an > individual user's files if they are too stupid to know when not to run > random attachments. I care about mailservers that get pounded to death > with email, go offline, and cause endless problems for other users. I > was simply suggesting a way to prevent the mailservers from crashing. you mean exchange servers, then. :) with a little competent design, your mail system shouldn't be going off line just because the volume goes up a little bit. do you actually know anybody who went down? the only ones i'm aware of were running oddball (meaning, non-mainstream, scalable, well designed) systems. anyway. -chris > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > Behalf Of chris > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:46 PM > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid, what if someone > > > launched a nuclear attack? If someone is going to build a good business > > > on this, they will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins > > > sitting around monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. > > > > huh? what are you talking about? mail is transit. if you're worried > > about a virus, get yourself a decent virus scanner. don't do stupid > > things like open and run random attachments. don't expect somebody else > > to take care of things for you. > > > > ooh, yeah, let's make laws! that'll stop those evil criminals for sure! > > get real. i mean, that's essentially what you're advocating... fix the > > symptom, not the problem. you want to fix the problem, go and educate > > your users about the 95 different things they can do to not be stupid. > > > > i mean, you're talking about a situation where, in a crime ridden town > > [the "internet"], people leave their homes unlocked, regularly invite the > > criminal element inside and show them where their best stuff is.... and > > are surprised when they wake up the next day and it's all gone. and your > > solution is.... "hire more cops and make everybody register with the > > police department". go big brother. duh. > > > > how about instead, educate your users. teach them that people are evil > > and will send them evil things. teach them to lock their own doors. > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From thefonz@fonz.net Mon, 08 May 2000 01:43:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 01:43:10 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch thefonz@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] meeting topic? Hey, Is there a topic for the scheduled meeting? -Ilan From Luis@billingsupport.com Mon, 08 May 2000 09:35:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:35:42 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto I was wondering if anyone could help me out to configure my sound card. I am running rd 6.2 what command do i have to use to run the setup. other thing i dont know what kind of sound card it is . would that be a problem ? Luis At 07:40 AM 5/7/00 -0700, you wrote: >David Braginsky wrote: > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could > > monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and > added > > to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach > >And when this central repository is hacked and the bit pattern "From" >gets added to it, then what? >-- >Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net >* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * >*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* >* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From Luis@billingsupport.com Mon, 08 May 2000 09:39:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:39:03 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto I was wondering if anyone out there could help me out with setting up my sound card. I am running rd 6.2 other thing i don't know what kind of card i have. Luis At 07:13 AM 5/7/00 -0700, you wrote: >Send Linux mailing list submissions to > linux@linux.ucla.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linux-request@linux.ucla.edu >You can reach the person managing the list at > linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >"Re: Contents of Linux digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: I Love You virus (chris) > 2. Re: I Love You virus (Ilan Rabinovitch) > 3. RE: I Love You virus (David Braginsky) > 4. RE: I Love You virus (dannys@csua.ucla.edu) > 5. RE: I Love You virus (Frederick Lee) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: chris >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > >no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your >database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you >credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or >4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords >i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > >-chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > Behalf Of chris > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is > discovered > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:04:45 -0700 >From: Ilan Rabinovitch >Reply-To: thefonz@fonz.net >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >mike chan wrote: > > > > > the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would still be > > different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email server > > must support that functionality... =) > >Which popular mail servers have that functionality? >I know that Exchange needs 3rd part software to do it. > >Ilan > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Reply-To: >From: "David Braginsky" >To: >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:12:20 -0700 >charset="US-ASCII" >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >I trust macaffe to send me their virus definitions don't i? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > Behalf Of chris > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:41 AM > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > > > no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > > database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you > > credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or > > 4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords > > i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus > > is discovered > > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer > > forward it. The > > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700 >From: dannys@csua.ucla.edu >To: >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs > >> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > >> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > >> >to use' OS. > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other >email addresses). > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an >executable! > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:37:20 -0700 >From: Frederick Lee >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >On Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700, said dannys@csua.ucla.edu: > >>> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While > macs > >>> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > >>> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > >>> >to use' OS. > > > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more > >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... > >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other > >email addresses). > > > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one > >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an > >executable! > > > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > >I was first aware of this listening to the Al Rantel Show on KABC radio, 790 >AM, while driving to school. Within five minutes of tuning in, Al mentioned >macro language, MS-Word macro virus, and VBScript (sp?) so by the time I >arrived at UCLA, I already had the fortune of figuring out that the iloveyou >virus was a macro virus exploiting Microsoft Outlook's... um... features. > >I took it for granted that others knew it was a VBscript thingamabobber, >which kinda threw off a lot of my assumptions. > >And, anyway, being a Linux weenie, I figured that text code (e.g. macro) and >executable are the same. After all, it's just a single bit difference in >Unix, right? > > >-Fred > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > >End of Linux Digest From jwlee@ucla.edu Mon, 8 May 2000 11:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: LEE,JAMES WOON jwlee@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] kernel upgrade Hello, I am trying to upgrade my kernel to support the sound card that I have on my laptop. I have kernel-2.2.14-12.i586.rpm, kernel-headers-2.2.14-12.i386.rpm and kernel-source-2.2.14-12.i386.rpm. Are these the only ones that I have to install to upgrade my kernel? How to I make sure that this kernel has support for the Maestro chipset compiled or built as a module? Thanks for your help! -James From registration@letuknow.com Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:09 -0400 From: WHquestion registration@letuknow.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] What was the best James Bond movie? Hello, Members of our community - the WHquestion free info arena - posted the following questions: "What was the best James Bond movie?" and also - "WHat's the easiest way to get from Jakarta to the Suez Canal by train?" If you hold the answers to these or other essential questions, or if you feel like asking some questions yourself, please drop by our site at: http://www.whquestion.com/ To answer one of the questions above click here: http://www.whquestion.com/emailentry.asp?p=qgvjw;xTRWDQIaTtOjnIajyn761b4 To see what's it all about click here: http://www.whquestion.com/ Not interested? Just reply to this email with "remove" as the subject line and we won't bother you again. ======================================================== This message complies with the US Federal requirements as well as the Washington State Commercial Email Bill. Sender information: Neuronia Ltd. Email: contact@WHquestion.com, Tel: +972 (3) 6394304 ======================================================== WHo? WHat? WHy? WHen? WHere? WHquestion is the answer! http://www.whquestion.com/ From mfasheh Mon, 8 May 2000 14:02:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:02:59 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto Luis, Try running (as root) the program sndconfig. Also, please refrain from e-mailing us twice. --Mark On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:39:03AM -0700, Luis wrote: > I was wondering if anyone out there could help me out with setting up my > sound card. I am running rd 6.2 other thing i don't know what kind of card > i have. > > > > Luis > > > At 07:13 AM 5/7/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Send Linux mailing list submissions to > > linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > linux-request@linux.ucla.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > >"Re: Contents of Linux digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: I Love You virus (chris) > > 2. Re: I Love You virus (Ilan Rabinovitch) > > 3. RE: I Love You virus (David Braginsky) > > 4. RE: I Love You virus (dannys@csua.ucla.edu) > > 5. RE: I Love You virus (Frederick Lee) > > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) > >From: chris > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > > >no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > >database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you > >credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or > >4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords > >i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > > > >-chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is > > discovered > > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The > > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:04:45 -0700 > >From: Ilan Rabinovitch > >Reply-To: thefonz@fonz.net > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > >mike chan wrote: > > > > > > > > the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would still be > > > different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email server > > > must support that functionality... =) > > > >Which popular mail servers have that functionality? > >I know that Exchange needs 3rd part software to do it. > > > >Ilan > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 3 > >Reply-To: > >From: "David Braginsky" > >To: > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:12:20 -0700 > >charset="US-ASCII" > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > >I trust macaffe to send me their virus definitions don't i? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > Behalf Of chris > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:41 AM > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > > > > > no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > > > database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you > > > credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or > > > 4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords > > > i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > > > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software > > > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus > > > is discovered > > > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer > > > forward it. The > > > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700 > >From: dannys@csua.ucla.edu > >To: > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > >> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs > > >> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > > >> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > > >> >to use' OS. > > > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more > >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... > >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other > >email addresses). > > > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one > >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an > >executable! > > > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 5 > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:37:20 -0700 > >From: Frederick Lee > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > >On Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700, said dannys@csua.ucla.edu: > > >>> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While > > macs > > >>> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > > >>> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > > >>> >to use' OS. > > > > > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more > > >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... > > >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other > > >email addresses). > > > > > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one > > >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an > > >executable! > > > > > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > > > >I was first aware of this listening to the Al Rantel Show on KABC radio, 790 > >AM, while driving to school. Within five minutes of tuning in, Al mentioned > >macro language, MS-Word macro virus, and VBScript (sp?) so by the time I > >arrived at UCLA, I already had the fortune of figuring out that the iloveyou > >virus was a macro virus exploiting Microsoft Outlook's... um... features. > > > >I took it for granted that others knew it was a VBscript thingamabobber, > >which kinda threw off a lot of my assumptions. > > > >And, anyway, being a Linux weenie, I figured that text code (e.g. macro) and > >executable are the same. After all, it's just a single bit difference in > >Unix, right? > > > > > >-Fred > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > >End of Linux Digest > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Mon, 8 May 2000 15:44:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:44:58 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff, was "What was the best James Bond movie?" On Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:09 -0400, said "WHquestion" : [snip out-of-the-blue irrelevant cruft] >Not interested? >Just reply to this email with "remove" as the subject line and we won't >bother you again. Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... You know, there's something fundamentally sinister to just flat out mailing to a mailing list and asking to reply with remove... it takes a bit of wrangling to eek out the proper From line to read the mailing lists address. At least Mailman is kind enough to say "your address was submitted for subscription; reply or go to http://... to verify". > >======================================================== >This message complies with the US Federal requirements as well as the >Washington State Commercial Email Bill. >Sender information: Neuronia Ltd. >Email: contact@WHquestion.com, Tel: +972 (3) 6394304 >======================================================== Translation: This legally isn't spam because we just said so. It's still technically spam, though. It's about as wide off-mark to this list as bombing Jupiter (you know, that big planet way out there...) to cripple Saddam's aspirin factories. My procmail recipes are going to bulk up a bit more now. [snip] -Fred From denis@seas.ucla.edu Mon, 8 May 2000 15:49:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:49:42 -0700 From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff, was "What was the best James Bond movie?" > Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... i wonder if the email address would still be used for spam, if it was verified by responding with many many 10 meg attachments.... denis From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Mon, 08 May 2000 16:23:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:23:11 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff Mailbombing and such tend to fail badly and in one sense, commits the same crime we are complaining about: choking the servers and routers. For a really good discussion of what to do, check out: http://www.mcs.com/~jcr/junkemaildeal.html Best, Glenn At 03:49 PM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... > > >i wonder if the email address would still be used for spam, if >it was verified by responding with many many 10 meg attachments.... > > >denis > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Mon, 8 May 2000 20:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error So, I get done building and lilo'ing a new kernel with no problems, but when I reboot, it says: Uncompressing linux... -- Out of memory -- System halted. which is strange, because the new kernel is smaller than the older one I was booting previously. has anyone ever run into this before? Thanks, Dimi From charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Mon, 8 May 2000 21:47:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:47:48 -0700 From: Charles Harvey charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error I did once, when I didn't really understand the BzImage part of compiling the kernel. When I used it, then that problem went away. Charles Harvey "soops" |>| -----Original Message----- |>| From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On |>| Behalf Of Dimi Shahbaz |>| Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 8:42 PM |>| To: linux@linux.ucla.edu |>| Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error |>| |>| |>| So, I get done building and lilo'ing a new kernel with no problems, but |>| when I reboot, it says: |>| Uncompressing linux... |>| |>| -- Out of memory -- |>| |>| System halted. |>| |>| |>| |>| which is strange, because the new kernel is smaller than the older one I |>| was booting previously. has anyone ever run into this before? |>| |>| Thanks, |>| Dimi |>| |>| |>| |>| _______________________________________________ |>| UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu |>| http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux |>| |>| From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 04:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sat, 6 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. While macs > > may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because they can > > run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any other 'easy > > to use' OS. > > > > Be OS is another good choice- it's got a stable UI, POSIX layer, > > and a NICE API (think JDK, but cleaner, and in C++). > > > > I would think the amount of viruses for an OS can be better correlated to > the user base, not the quality of the api. Sure MacOs has less virii, but > also less users. The same stands for Linux and Be. Hmm, someone seems a little touchy on this subject! :) I don't think that user base is as large of a factor as you might think. Microsoft has never had security in mind when it started any OS. And its "fixes" for problems that do crop up are relatively poor. They have their programmers do what Campbell does - work AROUND the problem, don't spend the time needed to fix it. Linux, being open to peer review, allows for the integration of elegant solutions. This is because it has a wider DEVELOPER base for the core operating system - making bugs transparent and thus eliminating potential security risks. Also, Windows is more susceptible due to its proliferation of dumbass mail clients (cough outlook... I mean "look out!"). Any mail agent that AUTOMATICALLY runs untrusted code in a sensitive environment is DUMB (just like VB). And YES, I have coded in VB... MS is a feature whore... :?) > > There is only ONE problem with virii alerts- I get more virii alerts than > > I do virii!!! :?) > > Would you rather have more virii than alerts? I would prefere neither. My complaint does not imply that I want more of either- only that the alerts themselves have generated more traffic than the virus. This akin to sending an ICMP packet when another ICMP packet gets dropped (at least in my book). L8r. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... On Sat, 6 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of > executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The > virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The > only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine > would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not > familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, > but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached > shell scripts. The necessary IQ for UNIX is much higher- or so I have heard ("UNIX is userfriendly, it's just picky who its friends are."). Sorry, but WinNT and Win2K ARE NOT that similar to UNIX. I've seen plenty of exploits to convince me otherwise. I get the impression user/group account managment is much more refined in UNIX. The fact that many Unices attempt to conform to the POSIX standards also convinces me that UNIX is more well-thought out (WinNT trys to do POSIX by providing a layer of thunks which manages to be highly incomplete at the same time that MS touts its supposed POSIX compliance). Also, the 'sandbox' idea would likely be easier to implement under linux/unix (Copy-On-Write pages could be used/simulated... etC). I don't think Win9x (which is a dominant OS) has TRUE protected memory (otherwise it wouldn't crash so often). Anyhow, I should avoid ranting too much. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote: > If it will make you feel better I can send you a copy of the virus. It hit my school > pretty badly. Teachers and students were crying because of the loss of their images > (it replaces you JPEGs with the virus) . There were about 6 announcements over the > school loud speakers telling people not to open e-mails with the virus but nobody > listened. Cleaning it up is a mess when people are still sending it out to each > other. Too bad Exchange cant block e-mails by subject/attachment/etc with out > expensive 3rd party software. This is where your holier-than-though religous netizen would point out that all those JPEGs were smut/^satan^ spawn, and thus people should be crying tears of joy rather than anguish. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:27:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could > monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and added > to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach > could be used with mail clients. > > Other possibilities include detecting that a message containing the same > attachment was just forwarded 2000 times, and to no longer forward it. This would mean that ALL mailservers would HAVE to be supercomputers. That kind of IO bandwidth does not come within the capabilities of most people and some small businesses. Course your 'the strong survive righteously at the expense of the weak' philosophy could be twisted to justify this... From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > I trust macaffe to send me their virus definitions don't i? True. RedHat posts similar information for its users. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid Not possible. > what if someone launched > a nuclear attack? Someone already has... (WWII) > If someone is going to build a good business on this, they > will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins sitting around > monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. That's no solution to "making sure its not hacked" and you know it. 90% of security lies in being prepared, not depending on something going wrong and THEN responding. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > email, go offline, and cause endless problems for other users. I was simply > suggesting a way to prevent the mailservers from crashing. But adding to the computational load excessively (which any pattern db will likely do) is no solution! From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error On Mon, 8 May 2000, Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > So, I get done building and lilo'ing a new kernel with no problems, but > when I reboot, it says: > Uncompressing linux... > > -- Out of memory -- > > System halted. Hehehehe... I just did that today. :) The error message is misleading. Because I have compiled installed many kernels before I was able to realize that I forgot to run lilo before rebooting. Time to break out your system rescue skills. (I'll assume you have a RedHat system) Make a boot image goto: ftp://andromeda.acs.uci.edi/mirrors/redhat/old-releases/redhat-your-version-here/images or something like it) dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k Boot into rescue mode reboot Type 'rescue' at the lilo prompt Mount your HDs mount -t ext2 /dev/hda* /mnt/* Run lilo /mnt/yourrootmountpointhere/sbin/lilo -C /mnt/yourliloconfpathhere (mumble mumble options mumble boot device mumble man pages to be sure) Reboot umount /mnt/allthestuffyoumountedoryoullbesorry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This whole thing brings me to one point I should have learned long ago: Even if you are fairly experienced at building/installing new kernerls, ALWAYS keep your OLD kernel as DEFAULT. Just add a new lilo entry 'expiremental-my-new-kernel-version-here'. NEVER AGAIN forget to run lilo after installing a new kernel. :) Being the stubborn bastard that I am, I probably won't remember my own advice... Good luck. From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff On Mon, 8 May 2000, Glenn Glazer wrote: > Mailbombing and such tend to fail badly and in one sense, commits the same > crime we are complaining about: choking the servers and routers. For a > really good discussion of what to do, check out: > > http://www.mcs.com/~jcr/junkemaildeal.html URL non-function-elle From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 03:31:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 03:31:15 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Tue, 9 May 2000 05:38:06 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > >> Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid >Not possible. In this past LUG meeting, snotty gave us a nice informative lecture about this. My (new) understanding is that even a moderate nuclear attack can't shut down the US power system entirely. Ironically, the posterchild of routing-around-damage, the Internet I, can go down for the count with a dozen well-placed fertilizer-filled trucks... > >> what if someone launched >> a nuclear attack? >Someone already has... (WWII) > >> If someone is going to build a good business on this, they >> will make sure it's not hacked. Have a bunch of sysadmins sitting around >> monitoring the server 24-7, that sorta thing. >That's no solution to "making sure its not hacked" and you know it. 90% of >security lies in being prepared, not depending on something going wrong >and THEN responding. Ah, nuts. I'll have to review my personal security policies, now. -Fred From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 03:45:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 03:45:42 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Tue, 9 May 2000 05:27:36 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: >> How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking messages >> containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This software could >> monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is discovered and added >> to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward it. The same approach >> could be used with mail clients. >> >> Other possibilities include detecting that a message containing the same >> attachment was just forwarded 2000 times, and to no longer forward it. >This would mean that ALL mailservers would HAVE to be supercomputers. That >kind of IO bandwidth does not come within the capabilities of most people >and some small businesses. Course your 'the strong survive righteously at >the expense of the weak' philosophy could be twisted to justify this... Hey, don't forget. The G4 is so powerful that it falls under the "have to control export of supercomputers to foreign nations" law. Likewise with the PIII/400+. If I/O throughput is the concern, IBM mainframes seem to thrive in that category. The newer ones have bus speeds of something like a few gigabytes per second. Or was that several gigs instead?... As far as I know, Linux can run on one of these classes of mainframes. Although technically the parent OS (if you can call it a mere OS...) creates a VM for Linux to run in, the penguin is still getting plenty of IO bandwidth. Oh, and the mainframe being able to slough off resources for any arbitrary number of VMs, a Beowulf in a (big) box. Ooooo, lots of bandwidth... Oh, BTW, does MS have any OS intended to run on a mainframe? I'm pretty sure there's a NetBSD for a mainframe, though. Just wondering. -Fred From chand@usc.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 03:28:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:28:45 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Frederick Lee wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000 05:38:06 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > >> Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid > >Not possible. > > In this past LUG meeting, snotty gave us a nice informative lecture about this. > My (new) understanding is that even a moderate nuclear attack can't shut down > the US power system entirely. > > Ironically, the posterchild of routing-around-damage, the Internet I, can go > down for the count with a dozen well-placed fertilizer-filled trucks... where would one place these trucks? No, seriously, information infrastucture is amazingly resilient against physical attack, I mean DARPA was built to withstand a nuclear exchange wasnt it?, and during the gulf war, our attempts to cut Iraqs power and telephone networks were only moderately successful, even though we had air supiriority, and laser guided smartbombs with CNN cameras on them... which brings me back to where exactly you would place these trucks, i mean if a band running down the middle of the country were to disappear, i could still route my packets through sydney->calcutta->Istanbul->Prague->Helsinki->iceland->Ottowa->Boston. to get to MIT..., if someone were to somehow get enough 'trucks' to remove a band along the entire equator, i could route anywhere in the northern Hemisphere, bounce it off a sattilite though a station in Vaginia-> South Africa, and STILL get to my favorite Brazillian porn site. and due to the decentralized nature of the Net, you couldnt even do it by taking down the primary DNS servers (though that would suck) cause i can still use a secondary, or IP. But if you still wanna try i got the trucks... -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From chand@usc.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:54 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > So, I get done building and lilo'ing a new kernel with no problems, but > when I reboot, it says: > Uncompressing linux... > > -- Out of memory -- > > System halted. > > which is strange, because the new kernel is smaller than the older one I > was booting previously. has anyone ever run into this before? > > Thanks, > Dimi Normally you will get an error during make zImage if your kernel will be too big this leads me to suspect that you need to upgrade lilo. what version are you booting? -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From chand@usc.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 03:35:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:35:02 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff, was "What was the best James Bond movie?" Denis wrote: > > Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... > > i wonder if the email address would still be used for spam, if > it was verified by responding with many many 10 meg attachments.... or even better, everyone could cheerfully send them their favorite 3 distros, with a note telling them, "hey, thanks for the informative email, you gotta try this." -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From cbs@ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 04:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Tue, 9 May 2000, PrometheuS wrote: > Frederick Lee wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 May 2000 05:38:06 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : > > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > >> Look, what if someone shut down the us power grid > > >Not possible. > > > > In this past LUG meeting, snotty gave us a nice informative lecture about this. > > My (new) understanding is that even a moderate nuclear attack can't shut down > > the US power system entirely. > > > > Ironically, the posterchild of routing-around-damage, the Internet I, can go > > down for the count with a dozen well-placed fertilizer-filled trucks... > > where would one place these trucks? you want addresses? there aren't really that many "big" exchanges. most of the larger nsp's tend to have facilities very close to each other / same building. mae-{east,west}, paix... they're just buildings, nothing really all that special. > which brings me back to where exactly you would place these trucks, i > mean if a band running down the middle of the country were to disappear, > i could still route my packets through > sydney->calcutta->Istanbul->Prague->Helsinki->iceland->Ottowa->Boston. > to get to MIT..., it's not really about a "band", though. it's about knowing where the exchange points are (where different "large" networks connect to eachother). hit enough of them, and you really don't get anywhere. alternately, follow the railways... lots of fiber gets laid along the tracks. it doesn't really take much to kill off a big chunk of backbone, assuming you know where to dig with your backhoe, anyway. > and due to the decentralized nature of the Net, you couldnt even do it > by taking down the primary DNS servers (though that would suck) cause i > can still use a secondary, or IP. But if you still wanna try i got the > trucks... the net isn't quite as decentralized as you might think. :) -chris From cbs@ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 04:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: chris cbs@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Tue, 9 May 2000, Frederick Lee wrote: > In this past LUG meeting, snotty gave us a nice informative lecture > about this. My (new) understanding is that even a moderate nuclear > attack can't shut down the US power system entirely. hrm. maybe not entirely, but certainly enough to matter. i remember a summer or two ago when a tree fell down on a power line in oregon or some such place, shorting it out, putting extra stress on the grid, causing some huge chunk of the midwest to compensate, and killing power in 3 or 4 states or something like that. well. iirc, anyway. -chris From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:16:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:16:13 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] my take on the virus... On Tue, 9 May 2000 05:03:31 -0400 (EDT), said Matt Helsley : >On Sat, 6 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > >> Explain to me how switching to Unix will solve this problem. Instead of >> executing a vb file, they would execute a shell script. Big difference. The >> virus would still spread, your personal files would still be damaged. The >> only thing Unix would offer is the fact that other's files on the machine >> would not be damaged. That however is provided by both nt and 2k. I am not >> familiar with the current gui email clients for Unix outside of Netscape, >> but I remember both mailtool and exmh made it fairly easy to run attached >> shell scripts. >The necessary IQ for UNIX is much higher- or so I have heard ("UNIX is >userfriendly, it's just picky who its friends are."). Not necessarily. It does require a different way of thinking. The very fact that Joe Sixpack was able to work on a Unix box many odd years ago gives some support to that. Unix was used in companies; those machines were used by not-totally-computer-literate. But they were able to use it. Yes, things went wrong, but they were using Unix. I would like to think that the IQ of the general public hasn't fallen considerably ("they're just as dumb as ever"). In any case... the dominant... "paradigm"... due to sheer proliferation, is the "Windows mindset". Consider how Windows presents the filesystem (drives). Compare to Unix (one big ol' FS). Software distribution. "Issue" vs "Bug". Response to system crashes. Multi-usage (not just mere multi-tasking). Usage of the reset switch (including the much famed Big Red Switch of dinosaurs). Fine-tuning system configuration. Networking. Viruses. One could say Windows is user-friendly, and *just as* picky about its friends. I mean, raise someone on Microsoftless MacOS environment, then stick them at a Windows box. If this hypothetical user was unable to properly navigate through Windos, does that mean higher IQ is needed to use Windos? Let's flip the scenerio; your average Joe Sixpack Windows user (plenty of those available in Real Life...). Stick 'em at a Mac with no instruction. If Joe can't use it, does that mean higher IQ is needed to use a Mac? As a personal anecdote, I (as a fairly...dedicated GNU/Linux user) have been trying to understand Eros OS, namely part of its capabilities implementation. The mere fact that Eros does not have a filesystem boggles my mind (since everything--EVERYTHING--in Unix is a file). No filesystem means no file in the sense of Unix--to me, no filesystem is like saying gravity pushes up/away. But that's because of the mindset I'm in. Is Eros necessarily user-unfriendly? Maybe. Does it require more IQ? Perhaps. I suppose one could argue that a capabilities OS like Eros is *more* friendly, since it lets you NOT worry about things that cannot *possibly* be worried about; which would make more sense. If it makes more sense, it wouldn't *require* more IQ, would it? (I probably messed up in the logic somewhere in there...) What I'm basically saying is that Unix isn't necessarily more difficult or less user-friendly. Like the difference in techniques and training for running in a 100m dash versus running in a marathon, the "paradigm shift", the way of thinking, from non-Unix to Unix can be rather large. Unix seems user-unfriendly because all those other OS's aren't Unix enough. How's that for a spin? Hrmm... getting off-topic... I would like to say that this different mindset of Unix would help stave off ravaging e-mail virus/worms, but it'd be difficult to enumerate all contributing factors. Many of them probably subtle (for now). Kinda like anthropology, I guess. I mean, just how much would I have to type to be convincing? I know this can touch upon sociological, psychological, philosophical, technical, political, religious (!), and commercial issues. Yay, a problem fitting for the Ultimate Final Exam. > >Sorry, but WinNT and Win2K ARE NOT that similar to UNIX. I've seen plenty >of exploits to convince me otherwise. I get the impression user/group >account managment is much more refined in UNIX. The fact that many Unices I dunno about that refined part. I find the lack of group heirarchy to be somewhat annoying. I mean, if all officers should be members of staff, and all admins should be members of officers, it should implicitly follow that all admins are members of staff. For one thing, I find I have to state this explicitly, and another, I can't even state "group is in group", only "so-and-so user(s) in group". Yeah, sure, it's a one-liner to heirarchify groups via users lists, but there only so much repetition I can handle in something as crack-potted as the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. After trying to get Fire's /etc/group straightened out, I can understand why many people want the Unix notion of groups to be overhauled. I dunno. Maybe it's just a Linux thing. >attempt to conform to the POSIX standards also convinces me that UNIX is >more well-thought out (WinNT trys to do POSIX by providing a layer of >thunks which manages to be highly incomplete at the same time that MS > >Also, the 'sandbox' idea would likely be easier to implement under >linux/unix (Copy-On-Write pages could be used/simulated... etC). I don't >think Win9x (which is a dominant OS) has TRUE protected memory (otherwise >it wouldn't crash so often). IIRC, I think there was something about how W9x having to support DOS and Win16 inherently makes it impossible to have true protected memory. I dunno exactly what, maybe something like the 16b mem pool being able to corrupt the 32 pool or something (anyone know?). Regardless, it's certainly because this 16-bit crap was dropped that NT is stabler than its 9x... um... sibling/cousin/nephew/niece/second-cousin/father/DarkLordOfSith. > >Anyhow, I should avoid ranting too much. Why? ;) -Fred From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 05:27:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:27:25 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus On Tue, 9 May 2000 04:43:45 -0700 (PDT), said chris : >On Tue, 9 May 2000, PrometheuS wrote: [BIG SNIP] >> and due to the decentralized nature of the Net, you couldnt even do it >> by taking down the primary DNS servers (though that would suck) cause i >> can still use a secondary, or IP. But if you still wanna try i got the >> trucks... > >the net isn't quite as decentralized as you might think. :) > > >-chris This is in part due to the commercialization of the net. One meme I did get out of the LUG meeting was that "network packets travel the path of paid agreements, not of shortest path". Basically, shortest paths are foregone due to commercial interests and/or ties; then you start winding up with massive centralizations of networks. Kinda silly, in some ways. Like how witten and larva, physically three city blocks apart in the UCLA vicinity, but different ISPs, have packets hitting San Francisco enroute to either's machine. -Fred From todd@mrball.net Tue, 09 May 2000 07:11:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:11:36 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error PrometheuS wrote: > Normally you will get an error during make zImage if your kernel will be too big > this leads me to suspect that you need to upgrade lilo. > what version are you booting? If it's too big, it normally reports it and tells you to run "make bzImage". -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Tue, 09 May 2000 07:13:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:13:39 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff, was "What was the best James Bond movie?" PrometheuS wrote: > > > Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... > > i wonder if the email address would still be used for spam, if > > it was verified by responding with many many 10 meg attachments.... > or even better, everyone could cheerfully send them their favorite 3 distros, with a note > telling them, "hey, thanks for the informative email, you gotta try this." What would be the consequences if we responded to the spam with a copy of the .vbs but with a different name and slightly altered code so that it bypasses the current configuration of virus scanners? -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From Luis@billingsupport.com Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto Sorry members about the double email . Our mail server (Microsoft) sucks. thank Mark LusiAt 02:02 PM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote: >Luis, > Try running (as root) the program sndconfig. Also, please refrain >from e-mailing us twice. > --Mark > >On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:39:03AM -0700, Luis wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone out there could help me out with setting up my > > sound card. I am running rd 6.2 other thing i don't know what kind of card > > i have. > > > > > > > > Luis > > > > > > At 07:13 AM 5/7/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Send Linux mailing list submissions to > > > linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > linux-request@linux.ucla.edu > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > > linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > >"Re: Contents of Linux digest..." > > > > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. RE: I Love You virus (chris) > > > 2. Re: I Love You virus (Ilan Rabinovitch) > > > 3. RE: I Love You virus (David Braginsky) > > > 4. RE: I Love You virus (dannys@csua.ucla.edu) > > > 5. RE: I Love You virus (Frederick Lee) > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >Message: 1 > > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: chris > > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the source. > > > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > > > > >no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > > >database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and showed you > > >credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, maybe, 3 or > > >4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random keywords > > >i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > > > > > > >-chris > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking > messages > > > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This > software > > > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus is > > > discovered > > > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer forward > it. The > > > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >Message: 2 > > >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:04:45 -0700 > > >From: Ilan Rabinovitch > > >Reply-To: thefonz@fonz.net > > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >mike chan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the problem w/ bit patterns is that every forwarded email would > still be > > > > different.. checking for the attachment might work, but your email > server > > > > must support that functionality... =) > > > > > >Which popular mail servers have that functionality? > > >I know that Exchange needs 3rd part software to do it. > > > > > >Ilan > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >Message: 3 > > >Reply-To: > > >From: "David Braginsky" > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:12:20 -0700 > > >charset="US-ASCII" > > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >I trust macaffe to send me their virus definitions don't i? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:41 AM > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > if by big brother you mean sendmail servers between you and the > source. > > > > > its sent clear text (most of the time) anyway > > > > > > > > no. by big brother i mean whoever you are trusting to set up your > > > > database. for example, supposing that i offered to do it and > showed you > > > > credentials that led you to believe in my capabilities. and, > maybe, 3 or > > > > 4 weeks into it, i start to filter out mail with whatever random > keywords > > > > i like. do you trust me not to do that? > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu > [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On > > > > > > Behalf Of chris > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:32 AM > > > > > > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > > Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Braginsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about an extension to mail servers that allows blocking > messages > > > > > > > containing a certain bit pattern from being forwarded. This > software > > > > > > > could monitor an online database, and as soon as the virus > > > > is discovered > > > > > > > and added to the db, all enabled servers will no longer > > > > forward it. The > > > > > > > same approach could be used with mail clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean, invite big brother to inspect your mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >Message: 4 > > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700 > > >From: dannys@csua.ucla.edu > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > > >> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. > While macs > > > >> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because > they can > > > >> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any > other 'easy > > > >> >to use' OS. > > > > > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more > > >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... > > >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other > > >email addresses). > > > > > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one > > >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an > > >executable! > > > > > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >Message: 5 > > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:37:20 -0700 > > >From: Frederick Lee > > >To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >Subject: RE: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus > > >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > > > >On Sun, 7 May 2000 03:38:23 -0700, said dannys@csua.ucla.edu: > > > >>> >I feel that linux is ONE correct choice. MacOS is the another. > While > > > macs > > > >>> >may be suceptible to SOME winblows virii, this is only because > they can > > > >>> >run M$ software. Funny how M$ propagates more virii than any > other 'easy > > > >>> >to use' OS. > > > > > > > >A friend of mine got the letter. He said that it was nothing more > > > >than a VB script (though one that was somewhat intelligent... > > > >apparently it looked in a number of addressbooks and such to get other > > > >email addresses). > > > > > > > >Anyways, I was really dissapointed to hear that. Not only does one > > > >have to intentionally click on the message. But, it's not even an > > > >executable! > > > > > > > >And here it is, wiping out half the governments in the world... > > > > > >I was first aware of this listening to the Al Rantel Show on KABC > radio, 790 > > >AM, while driving to school. Within five minutes of tuning in, Al > mentioned > > >macro language, MS-Word macro virus, and VBScript (sp?) so by the time I > > >arrived at UCLA, I already had the fortune of figuring out that the > iloveyou > > >virus was a macro virus exploiting Microsoft Outlook's... um... features. > > > > > >I took it for granted that others knew it was a VBscript thingamabobber, > > >which kinda threw off a lot of my assumptions. > > > > > >And, anyway, being a Linux weenie, I figured that text code (e.g. > macro) and > > >executable are the same. After all, it's just a single bit difference in > > >Unix, right? > > > > > > > > >-Fred > > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > > > > >End of Linux Digest > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > >-- >-------------- >If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. > >President, UCLA LUG >Mark James Fasheh >http://www.exothermic.org > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 08:04:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:04:02 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Yet another win for Linux Check it out: http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2000-2/0508m.html#item3 ************************************************************************** "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense." Edsger W. Dijkstra ************************************************************************** From chand@usc.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 10:16:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:16:16 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Kernel out of mem error "Todd A. Lyons" wrote: > PrometheuS wrote: > > > Normally you will get an error during make zImage if your kernel will be too big > > this leads me to suspect that you need to upgrade lilo. > > what version are you booting? > > If it's too big, it normally reports it and tells you to run "make > bzImage". i thought thats what i said, was i unclear? ok, let me try again. older versions of lilo cannot handle some larger kernels. regardless what make says. and especially if you said make bzImage. older lilos vomit. you might have an older lilo. -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:14:32 -0700 From: Justin Boseant justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Hormel meat substitute stuff, was "What was the best James Bond movie?" On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 07:13:39AM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: ;PrometheuS wrote: ; ;> > > Hah! Sure, and verify that this is a live address. Uh-huh... ;> > i wonder if the email address would still be used for spam, if ;> > it was verified by responding with many many 10 meg attachments.... ;> or even better, everyone could cheerfully send them their favorite 3 distros, with a note ;> telling them, "hey, thanks for the informative email, you gotta try this." ; ;What would be the consequences if we responded to the spam with a copy ;of the .vbs but with a different name and slightly altered code so that ;it bypasses the current configuration of virus scanners? You'd probably get arrested like that guy in the Phillipines. Redistributing an already potent virus isn't worth joking about, it's really causing a lot of problems out in the M$ world and as much as we would like to dislike it, Windoze is pretty nice for beginning users, but regardless there will always be someone to abuse whatever software we put out there. Getting back to the point, has one of the admins unsubscribed us from that yet? And should we consider moderated subscriptions? -justin ;-- ;Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net ;* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * ;*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* ;* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * ; ;_______________________________________________ ;UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu ;http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 13:26:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:26:01 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto On Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700, said Luis : >Sorry members about the double email . Our mail server (Microsoft) sucks. >thank Mark Um... what does Mark have to do with Microsoft's mail server sucking? [snip content of ENTIRE digest of a day] Luis, You may also want to review your mail reader as well. I know that you, in the course of practicing good netiquette, intended to delete the parts of the text that had absolutely nothing to do with your reply so that you don't flood everyone's mailbox with unrelated passages and cause undue quota trauma and make it take forever to download a 2-line reply over modem, but it seems that your mail reader didn't keep them deleted as you instructed. Or perhaps your mail reader doesn't know how to delete? If that's the case, I highly suggest an alternate mail reader. It gets to a be a bit of a drain when the "meat" of your reply is less than 1% of your entire reply post, as has happened at least four other times in the past. -Fred "Everyone who's detectors red-lined, raise your hand." - Bogon Response Team From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Tue, 09 May 2000 14:44:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:44:16 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto Fred, Luis's msg headers indicate that his mail client is Eudora Pro on WinDoze: > X-Sender: luis@mail.wnu.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700 Eudora used to be great on the Mac; haven't tried it under MiserySoft, but I'll bet that it can do for him what you want. John Frederick Lee wrote: > > Luis, > > > Or perhaps your mail reader doesn't know how to delete? If that's the case, I > highly suggest an alternate mail reader. It gets to a be a bit of a drain when > the "meat" of your reply is less than 1% of your entire reply post, as has > happened at least four other times in the past. From taisont@coho.seas.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Taison Tan taisont@coho.seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mouse disapperas I'm using kde and my mouse has disappeared. I can log into the graphical box, but there is no mouse. The only way to then logout is for me to kill the kwm from a different computer. Then after that, the mouse comes back but when I go to move it, it disappears again. Anyone know how I can fix this without having to reboot? Thanks in advance, Taison From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 15:28:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:28:13 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] kernel upgrade On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:49:23AM -0700, LEE,JAMES WOON wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to upgrade my kernel to support the sound card that I have on > my laptop. I have kernel-2.2.14-12.i586.rpm, > kernel-headers-2.2.14-12.i386.rpm and kernel-source-2.2.14-12.i386.rpm. > Are these the only ones that I have to install to upgrade my kernel? Yes. In fact, you could get away with just upgrading the kernel package and not mess with the headers and source. One word of warning: Before you reboot with your new kernel after installing it, make sure that you: 1) configure /etc/lilo.conf to recognize the new kernel, and 2) run /sbin/lilo so that this configuration is written to your hard disk's master boot record. > How to I make sure that this kernel has support for the Maestro chipset > compiled or built as a module? Thanks for your help! rpm -qpl kernel-2.2.14-12.i586.rpm should give you a listing of all the files (including modules) included with your kernel. You may want to upgrade the sndconfig program from Redhat if you want to try configuring your Maestro sound card. > > -James > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 15:34:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:34:54 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mouse disapperas Okay, just do a ps -ael | grep cat to get the PID and then do a kill -9 PID to get it to leave your mouse alone. :) HHOK, Glenn At 02:53 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm using kde and my mouse has disappeared. I can log into the graphical >box, but there is no mouse. The only way to then logout is for me to kill >the kwm from a different computer. Then after that, the mouse comes back >but when I go to move it, it disappears again. Anyone know how I can fix >this without having to reboot? > >Thanks in advance, > >Taison > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 15:42:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:42:38 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] spam On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:14:32AM -0700, Justin Boseant wrote: > Getting back to the point, has one of the admins unsubscribed us from that > yet? Sending an "unsubscription" request in response to spam usually just lets them know that you're a valid email address, so they can send you some more crap. > And should we consider moderated subscriptions? The problem isn't subscriptions.. it's that right now anyone can post to the list even if they're *not* subscribed to it. This is just a convenience feature, so that people can post from any email address or any machine they happen to be at. If it turns out that is abused by spammers (to the point where it gets really obnoxious), of course we'll require that posts to the list only come from subscribed addresses. (Most spammers wouldnt go to the trouble of subscribing to a list, posting, and then unsubscribing from it.) > -justin > > ;-- > ;Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > ;* One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > ;*One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > ;* In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] spam On Tue, 9 May 2000, Dan Helfman wrote: > The problem isn't subscriptions.. it's that right now anyone can post to the > list even if they're *not* subscribed to it. This is just a convenience > feature, so that people can post from any email address or any machine they > happen to be at. If it turns out that is abused by spammers (to the point > where it gets really obnoxious), of course we'll require that posts to the > list only come from subscribed addresses. (Most spammers wouldnt go to the > trouble of subscribing to a list, posting, and then unsubscribing from it.) I don't think it is worth it for us to do this just yet. Spam isn't really a problem on this list... YET. If it starts increasing we should probably complain to ISPs. If it becomes worse after that then we close posting priviledges for a while. I think this should be a good response to spam. From thefonz@fonz.net Tue, 09 May 2000 16:29:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:29:14 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch thefonz@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] I Love You virus Matt Helsley wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote: > > If it will make you feel better I can send you a copy of the virus. It hit my school > > pretty badly. Teachers and students were crying because of the loss of their images > > (it replaces you JPEGs with the virus) . There were about 6 announcements over the > > school loud speakers telling people not to open e-mails with the virus but nobody > > listened. Cleaning it up is a mess when people are still sending it out to each > > other. Too bad Exchange cant block e-mails by subject/attachment/etc with out > > expensive 3rd party software. > > This is where your holier-than-though religous netizen would point out > that all those JPEGs were smut/^satan^ spawn, and thus people should be > crying tears of joy rather than anguish. > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux Thats the comment that was made by our network admin about the students who keep mp3s in their personal folders. From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Tue, 09 May 2000 18:04:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:04:30 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] spam I agree that taking it to the ISP's is the way to go. In fact, that (along with details on how to trace the ISP's) was on the website I posted earlier. Best, Glenn >I don't think it is worth it for us to do this just yet. Spam isn't really >a problem on this list... YET. If it starts increasing we should probably >complain to ISPs. If it becomes worse after that then we close posting >priviledges for a while. > >I think this should be a good response to spam. > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From gglazer@ucla.edu Mon, 08 May 2000 10:30:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:30:30 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HUMOR Hi all, I thought I'd write to 'warn' you about a weird mutation of the "ILoveYou" virus called the "IWuvYou" virus. It seems that this version only attacks mpg and wav files, replacing their contents with the same idiotic melody repeated over and over. Effects range from turning your PC into a dinosaur to flatlined EEG and alpha wave readings in recipients. Norwegian authorities have arrested a hacker who goes by the handle 'Bjarne' for corrupting minors and endangering the sanity of adults. Bjarne himself had no comment, but was said to be 'purple' with rage. If you get a message with the 'IWuvYou" header, delete it without opening it or any attachments. And for heaven's sake, turn off the television. Best, Glenn From larva@lillith.mit.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 21:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HUMOR On Mon, 8 May 2000, Glenn Glazer wrote: > If you get a message with the 'IWuvYou" header, delete it without opening > it or any attachments. And for heaven's sake, turn off the television. Or at least change the channel! :?) From todd@mrball.net Tue, 09 May 2000 19:10:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:10:44 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mouse disapperas Taison Tan wrote: > > I'm using kde and my mouse has disappeared. I can log into the graphical > box, but there is no mouse. The only way to then logout is for me to kill > the kwm from a different computer. Then after that, the mouse comes back > but when I go to move it, it disappears again. Anyone know how I can fix > this without having to reboot? I'm not sure about your mouse problem, but you don't have to telnet or ssh from another machine to do the the kill. You can do it from the console. Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to the first console (or any function key thru Ctrl-Alt-F6 to get to any one of the standard Linux consoles). Login if necessary, then do your ps -aux and kill -9 [pid#]. Press Alt-F7 or Alt-F8 to get back to X. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 19:59:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:59:43 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mouse disapperas On Tue, 9 May 2000 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT), said Taison Tan : > >I'm using kde and my mouse has disappeared. I can log into the graphical >box, but there is no mouse. The only way to then logout is for me to kill >the kwm from a different computer. Then after that, the mouse comes back >but when I go to move it, it disappears again. Anyone know how I can fix >this without having to reboot? > >Thanks in advance, > >Taison It does this all the time, or just recently? If it's all the time, it may be misconfigured mouse protocol. If it's just recently, the mouse might have switched protocol midlife (some mice do that... like start in MouseSystems protocol then switch to MS when serial CTS signal goes high). But that's not likely... if it's a dumb MS mouse (i.e. monolingual), try killing gpm, then trying X. It could be that gpm is throwing off the way X is interpreting mouse movements. -Fred From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 20:06:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:06:27 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Configure sound card howto On Tue, 09 May 2000 14:44:16 -0700, said John Wenger : >Fred, > >Luis's msg headers indicate that his mail client is Eudora >Pro on WinDoze: > >> X-Sender: luis@mail.wnu.com >> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 >> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700 > >Eudora used to be great on the Mac; haven't tried it under >MiserySoft, but I'll bet that it can do for him what you >want. > >John [snip] I've used Eudora (Lite) for a very short while a very long time ago. IIRC, I could use the mouse to highlight large sections of text and remove them with a single Delete keypress. Heck, even MS-Notepad was able to do that at the time. I can't imagine why such a feature would be dropped after so many iterations and in a Pro version. Thus, my conclusion that Luis's particular instance of a mail reader is showing text is deleted, but still sending out the deleted text. If such is the case, there are some serious bugs to iron out. -Fred From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 22:01:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:01:58 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] OS userfriendliness On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 05:16:13AM -0700, Frederick Lee wrote: > As a personal anecdote, I (as a fairly...dedicated GNU/Linux user) have been > trying to understand Eros OS, namely part of its capabilities implementation. > The mere fact that Eros does not have a filesystem boggles my mind (since > everything--EVERYTHING--in Unix is a file). No filesystem means no file in > the sense of Unix--to me, no filesystem is like saying gravity pushes up/away. > But that's because of the mindset I'm in. > > Is Eros necessarily user-unfriendly? Maybe. Does it require more IQ? > Perhaps. I suppose one could argue that a capabilities OS like Eros is > *more* friendly, since it lets you NOT worry about things that cannot > *possibly* be worried about; which would make more sense. If it makes > more sense, it wouldn't *require* more IQ, would it? (I probably messed up > in the logic somewhere in there...) Yeah, it really depends on how you define user friendly. As you point out, Eros might be not-so-friendly to you, a GNU/Linux user, because you're so used to the Unix philosophy. But I think that for most people (the majority of which have never used a computer before), Eros, and its persistent object store, are fundamentally *much more* user friendly than any existing operating system. (And I think that even a die-hard Unix person could get quite used to it.) Think about how you write a document on paper. When you put the pen to the page, and scribble out a sentence, it's there! That's it. Now, think about Joe Where's-The-ON-Button Sixpack's perspective when he writes a document in Word or Emacs or vi. He pecks out a letter to grandma on the keyboard, and wants to finish it later. So he turns off the computer. He comes back later, turns it on, and finds out the document is gone! Where's the data persistence? Why should *he* have to worry about mundane details like the difference between permanent storage (disk) and temporary storage (RAM), and transfering data from one to the other whenever he wants his document to persist. After all, aren't computers supposed to be good at thinks like managing caches automatically, without user intervention? So Joe Sixpack goes to write a document on his Eros box. He pecks it out, and *it stays there*. He doesn't have to worry about saving or autosaving or loading or anything like that. It works just like the pen and paper do in the real world (except of course you can move text around whenever you want.. the best of both worlds!) Furthermore, think how neat it would be for all the applications and documents to remember all their state when you turn your computer off. Power it back on, and it's like you never left the machine. It's just like a ramdump-to-disk, except with the added benefit of temporally-consistent pointers that can refer to data in or out of RAM. It's like your harddisk becomes one huge swapdrive. So I think the persistent object store has a lot of things going for it versus a traditional file system. Only time will tell whether we start seeing something like it in standard consumer OSes.. or even relatively popular fringe OSes. There are some interesting problems with object stores.. like, how do you pluck objects out of them for copying? In a normal filesystem, since everything is arranged more or less hierarchically, you just copy recursively or however deep you want in a directory structure. But with an object store, you're not limited to a hierarchical structure at all. Objects can, and usually do, have references to many other objects (irregardless of whether they happen reside in RAM or on disk at any given moment). So if the user wants to copy an object to a floppy, how far do you follow the object's references? And what happens to "broken" references that aren't copied to the floppy? Should they become "network references"? Should this be configurable by the user? Interesting topics for research. :) > -Fred -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 9 May 2000 22:09:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:09:31 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mouse disapperas On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Taison Tan wrote: > > I'm using kde and my mouse has disappeared. I can log into the graphical > box, but there is no mouse. The only way to then logout is for me to kill > the kwm from a different computer. Then after that, the mouse comes back > but when I go to move it, it disappears again. Anyone know how I can fix > this without having to reboot? The next time that your mouse reappears, take it and whack it against your desk, hard. That should knock some sense into it and hopefully convince it to stop its disappearing act. If the mouse continues to disppear after that, then make sure that you've removed the cursed ring of invisibility. (You may have to seek the help of a water nymph.) > Thanks in advance, No problem. > Taison -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From jwlee@ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 02:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: LEE,JAMES WOON jwlee@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] sendmail question Hi, I just followed the guidelines (on linux.ucla.edu) to set up a mutt on my system. My thanks to tchow. I have one problem though. It gives me a data format error when I try to send mail because sender domain does not exist. Is there a way for me to send mail from @ucla.edu just like how other mail clients do? Thanks for your help! -James From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 02:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] E3 anyone? Just curious if anyone else is planning on going to E3 this week? -dimi From snotty@linux.com Wed, 10 May 2000 03:57:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:57:00 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Sun Offer hey guys.. =) i think we should deck out the CSUA labs w/ sunrays/linux-sparc systems.. =p thnx to andy for bringing it up at the lug meeting and hootan for the forward.. =) mark/matt, i think this is a great time to throw together a proposal to linda.feather... i've worked w/ her before, and she's great... =p get CSUA and LUG some hardware! =p BTW - Matching funds = buy one get one free kind of thing... =) or 50% off if you buy at least two.. haha =p mike >>>We have the unique opportunity to offer a Matching Funds Lab Program >>>to eligible >>>candidates for a limited time only. What can these funds be used for? >>> >>> *Upgrade existing labs >>> *Acquire new labs >>> *Upgrade old IBM, HP, SGI Compaq labs to Sun Ultra Workstations >>> >>>*** The deadline for Sun to receive purchase orders is Friday, May 26th. >> *** >>> >>>Please submit a brief description of your proposed lab to >>>"" and include: >>> >>> *Your name and contact information >>> *Server size and number of workstations or SunRays >>> *Your dollar contribution >>> *How will the lab be utilized? >>> >>>I encourage you to contact me if there are any questions or you need >> help. >>> >>>Please take advantage of this while funds are available! >>> >>>Linda Feather >>>Account Representative >>>Sun Microsystems, Inc. >>>310 607-2411 voice >>>linda.feather@sun.com > > >> -- >> >> * >> Mary Wright >> UCLA Software Central >> Academic Technology Services >> 5308 Math Sciences, Box 951557 >> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1557 >> ^ >> http://www.ats.ucla.edu/software > > (310) 794-4851 or 206-4780 >> (310) 206-7025 >> wright@ucla.edu > > 4933 Math Sciences >> * snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From gareth@wiked.org Wed, 10 May 2000 15:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:40:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] BOF May 27th Okay guys, we got some good topics setup for the 27th BOF discussion event but we still need some people to act as coordinators for the topics. I'll get a web page setup with topics and current coordinators later today (*screams* FINALS! WORK! SCHOOL! NO TIME!). Also i've deceided that those people acting as coordinators will be allowed to bring machines in, but please only those people acting as coordinators. This is not an event (eg install) for people to bring their machines and have stuff tweaked, installed, etc. Once again, any questions, just let me know. Thanks guys. --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From Luis@billingsupport.com Wed, 10 May 2000 09:07:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:07:31 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Discussion question If you dont mind me asking Gareth were is the discussion going to be held. Luis At 03:40 PM 5/10/00 +0000, you wrote: >Okay guys, we got some good topics setup for the 27th BOF discussion event >but we still need some people to act as coordinators for the topics. I'll >get a web page setup with topics and current coordinators later today >(*screams* FINALS! WORK! SCHOOL! NO TIME!). Also i've deceided that those >people acting as coordinators will be allowed to bring machines in, but >please only those people acting as coordinators. This is not an event (eg >install) for people to bring their machines and have stuff tweaked, >installed, etc. Once again, any questions, just let me know. Thanks >guys. > >--- >Gareth J. Greenaway >gareth@wiked.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From Luis@billingsupport.com Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:53 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Sorry to all the members I'm very sorry to all the members, Eudora for some reason sent out double email's . I know how some members get upset about receiving the same email twice. So I'm very sorry once again. Luis At 02:44 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >Fred, > >Luis's msg headers indicate that his mail client is Eudora >Pro on WinDoze: > > > X-Sender: luis@mail.wnu.com > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 > > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:46:57 -0700 > >Eudora used to be great on the Mac; haven't tried it under >MiserySoft, but I'll bet that it can do for him what you >want. > >John > >Frederick Lee wrote: > > > > Luis, > > > > > Or perhaps your mail reader doesn't know how to delete? If that's the > case, I > > highly suggest an alternate mail reader. It gets to a be a bit of a > drain when > > the "meat" of your reply is less than 1% of your entire reply post, as has > > happened at least four other times in the past. > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From Luis@billingsupport.com Wed, 10 May 2000 14:56:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:56:55 -0700 From: Luis Luis@billingsupport.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Python programing Just wondering on a couple of things. I just received my linux journal. I been reading on "Python" . Just wondering is python easier then perl or any other program out there. Right now I'm trying to see what i learn first (perl , python) any feed back would be very helpful Thanks Luis At 12:36 PM 4/17/00 -0700, you wrote: >Check if the RPMs are installed: > >$ rpm -qa | grep sndconfig >sndconfig-0.43-1 > >$ rpm -qa | grep isapnp >isapnptools-1.21b-1 > >if not, install it: > >$ rpm -Uvh stuff.rpm > > >See if it could be found in your $PATH: > >$ which sndconfig >/usr/bin/which: no sndconfig in >(/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/cvaldez/insta >ll/mozilla/package:/usr/local/jdk118/bin:/usr/local/jre118/bin:/home/cvalde >z/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games:/home/cvaldez/install/mozilla/package:/usr/ >local/jdk118/bin:/usr/local/jre118/bin) > >-or- > >$ printenv $PATH > > >if not: > > >$ /usr/sbin/sndconfig > > >you will need to run this in console mode and as root. > > >have fun! > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From gareth@wiked.org Wed, 10 May 2000 18:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:51:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Discussion question Location is Nortel Networks in Simi Valley, May 27th, starting at 1pm. On Wed, 10 May 2000, Luis wrote: > If you dont mind me asking Gareth were is the discussion going to be held. > > > > Luis > > > At 03:40 PM 5/10/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Okay guys, we got some good topics setup for the 27th BOF discussion event > >but we still need some people to act as coordinators for the topics. I'll > >get a web page setup with topics and current coordinators later today > >(*screams* FINALS! WORK! SCHOOL! NO TIME!). Also i've deceided that those > >people acting as coordinators will be allowed to bring machines in, but > >please only those people acting as coordinators. This is not an event (eg > >install) for people to bring their machines and have stuff tweaked, > >installed, etc. Once again, any questions, just let me know. Thanks > >guys. > > > >--- > >Gareth J. Greenaway > >gareth@wiked.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 16:12:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:12:28 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Python programing On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:56:55PM -0700, Luis wrote: > Just wondering on a couple of things. I just received my linux journal. I > been reading on "Python" . Just wondering is python easier then perl or any > other program out there. Right now I'm trying to see what i learn first > (perl , python) any feed back would be very helpful I would definitely say that Python is an easy language for a beginner to learn. Perl is a bit tougher, but still not very difficult either. It's been said that Perl has a long, shallow learning curve, which means that there's a lot of stuff to learn, but you only have to learn a little at a time in order to use the language. Python also has a shallow learning curve, but there are way fewer special rules and syntax funkiness to understand. > Thanks > > Luis -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From rcongiu@pacbell.net Wed, 10 May 2000 15:56:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:56:09 -0700 From: Roberto Congiu rcongiu@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Python programing On 10 May 2000, at 14:56, Luis wrote: > Just wondering on a couple of things. I just received my linux journal. I > been reading on "Python" . Just wondering is python easier then perl or any > other program out there. Right now I'm trying to see what i learn first > (perl , python) any feed back would be very helpful > IMHO they excel in different things. PERL is great used in place of the Unix shell, and great for quick-and-dirty scripts. But the average perl code is close to unreadable. Furthermore, perl was not designed to be object oriented (you can write object oriented code but it's tricky.), while Python was. Object orientation is especially useful when building GUIs. Also, object orientation helps a lot in big projects. I've been programming PERL for about 4 years now, but I would recomend to learn Python first. It's more clean and you can do all you can do in PERL. Python is gaining momentum. I love PERL but...I wouldn't recomend it to a beginner. From kodiak Wed, 10 May 2000 16:40:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:40:39 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] sendmail question i'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but i'll try to answer your question. if you're using your own machine to send mail with a MTA then i wouldn't know how to answer your question since i have no experience with configuring sendmail or exim or other MTAs. but it appears that you are using a ucla smtp server for mail. however, AFAIK mutt does not have and will never have a built in smtp support. it assumes that you will be using a MTA locally. you have several options if you want to use mutt: 1. configure sendmail/exim on your computer. but if you are living in the dorms, i wouldn't recommend this. you're not supposed to be doing that in the dorm neighborhood. some of use found this out the hard way. 2. use a program sSmpt to take mail from the localhost and forwards it to somewhere else like the BOL server i'm sure there are numerous other solutions to get your mail somewhere. if all i've said doesn't apply to what you are asking and all you want to know is how to change your "from:" header then you do something like this in your .muttrc: set use_from my_hdr from: youremailaddress@wherever.com tchow On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:04:00AM -0700, LEE,JAMES WOON wrote: > Hi, > > I just followed the guidelines (on linux.ucla.edu) to set up a mutt on my > system. My thanks to tchow. I have one problem though. It gives me a > data format error when I try to send mail because sender domain does not > exist. Is there a way for me to send mail from @ucla.edu just like how > other mail clients do? Thanks for your help! > > -James > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From kodiak Wed, 10 May 2000 16:51:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:51:25 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Python programing Luis, It's considered proper netiquette when posting messages to include previous messages *only* if they are relevant to your post. In this case, whatever you included from Apr 17 about configuring sound has little to do with programming in Python. Please refrain from this activity in the future. tchow On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:56:55PM -0700, Luis wrote: > Just wondering on a couple of things. I just received my linux journal. I > been reading on "Python" . Just wondering is python easier then perl or any > other program out there. Right now I'm trying to see what i learn first > (perl , python) any feed back would be very helpful > > > Thanks > > Luis From mfasheh Wed, 10 May 2000 17:00:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:00:46 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Sun Offer On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:57:00AM -0700, mike chan wrote: > hey guys.. =) i think we should deck out the CSUA labs w/ > sunrays/linux-sparc systems.. =p agreed. What would be nicest is if we could get some extra monitors and RAM. AFAIK, the machines in the lounge are mostly K6-3's, but we're running them on old 13-14inch monitors. > > thnx to andy for bringing it up at the lug meeting and hootan for the > forward.. =) > > mark/matt, i think this is a great time to throw together a proposal to > linda.feather... i've worked w/ her before, and she's great... =p get CSUA > and LUG some hardware! =p > Matt and I could probably work on a proposal this weekend. Do you happen to have a template and or a sample (successful) proposal we could cop^H^H^H use as an example :) > BTW - Matching funds = buy one get one free kind of thing... =) or 50% off > if you buy at least two.. haha =p It looks like we need money to get this thing started. I don't think the CSUA has much of that, and I know for a fact that the LUG budget is currently around $90-100 (which we've saved up from contributions from out last two install fests). -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 18:02:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:02:11 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) On Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:53 -0700, said Luis : >I'm very sorry to all the members, Eudora for some reason sent out double >email's . I know how some members get upset about receiving the same email >twice. So I'm very sorry once again. > > >Luis All right. That does it. Luis, you are seriously and dangerously short on clue. I have tried being polite to you and hinting at what would be proper netiquette, but it appears your clueon flux is close to nil. For the edification of others by the principle of "learn from the mistakes of others", I am making this public. Your most grievous transgression is the inclusion of an ENTIRE post, or worse, and ENTIRE DAY'S DIGEST, to which your reply numbered within the handful of lines. You failed to remove irrelevant *portions* of text. Do note that the post to which you reply is being *quoted*. As such, PLEASE remove the portions of text which has absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying. If not for the sake of modem users, then, please, for the sake of thread continuity! It becomes disruptive to a thread when your post consists of an entire day's digest of which only 12 lines are relevant, and the other 200 still have to be drudged through because they were still included because you did not bother removing those lines. It is not that difficult to delete unrelated lines of text. See that mouse? In your reply post, highlight (you *DO* know how to highlight, right?) the unrelated text and hit Delete. You know, that key on your keyboard labeled "Delete". That's what I was trying to hint at, but apparently such very explicit steps were still too subtle for you. If you must require an enumeration of WHY deleting unrelated lines of text is important, I am more than willing to list them out. It is a common practice of netiquette, and there are plenty of resources on that. You may or may not know, but AOL (America OnLine) in general has a reputation for clueless people. When AOL first let its subscribers loose on the Internet, there was a sudden explosion in the number of instances where a reply to a mailing list or a newsgroup consisted of anywhere from 20 to 2000 lines of quoted text, and a single line of "I agree", or "Me too", the much infamous me-too'ers. This was, and is, horrendously rude. If readers wanted to hold on the entire original post, they would have. If they got rid of the entire original post, they did so for a reason. Quoting the entire post verbatim and replying with a single line was forcefully stuffing the same thing down the readers throat that they already read, or did not want to keep. A reply should contain enough of the original message to make it obvious what the context of the reply is. There are people who receive upwards of 500 pieces of e-mail per day. Not only would having every single mailing post contain the entire original quoted verbatim cause much trouble with mailbox sizes, but these people do not have enough time to sift through 700 lines of text to figure out what someone is responding to. There should be enough quoted material so that such a person would still know what the flow of conversation was even though a day or two has passed. An entire day's digest is excessive. A 1:300 ratio of reply to quoted is also excessive. At the very least, strive to maintain a 1:1 ratio of lines of reply to lines of quote. In plain English, try to have as many lines of reply as you have lines of quoted original. Cut down on the quoted original post if you must, but please, don't pull a stunt like reply with 2 lines to a 300 line post that is fully included verbatim. I have remained silent on this for a a very long while. I figured you, Luis, would eventually learn. I was hopeful you would learn from example, from the other posts on this list. About snipping out, that is removing, irrelevant text in replies. Was that not obvious enough in this amount of time? There were more than enough instances of other people snipping irrelevant text that you should have learned by osmosis. There was a reason for it being done! Your most recent post is an even worse transgression. Not only is your Python question TOTALLY *UN*related to the original post's information on sound configuration, BUT THAT ORIGINAL POST WAS A MONTH AGO. Please, explain the logic behind what you have pulled. The original post you quoted is totally irrelevant, and it was post that is way old. Why did you do that? Is there something wrong with just sending a new fresh mail to the mailing list? Were you somehow desperate to dig up this mailing list's e-mail address from your mail archives? Has a mail virus randomly decimated your mail setup? Or are you deliberately trying to be rude? Consider this a flame. I have given you the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps you were just making minor mistakes but still clueful. I have tried being polite and subtle, but that didn't work. I now find I must be direct, forward, rude, and in your face to get my point across. You have been overtly rude as a netizen, and I feel it is time you change your ways in this respect. If you require additional resources on proper netiquette, I will be more than happy to dig them up for you. If you still do not understand what I am saying, I fear for your abilities. PLEASE, REMOVE IRRELEVANT LINES YOUR REPLIES! Otherwise, I will have to repeatly beat you with the ClueStick(TM) until you understand. -Fred From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 18:13:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:13:13 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) ME TOO! On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:02:11PM -0700, Frederick Lee wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:53 -0700, said Luis : > >I'm very sorry to all the members, Eudora for some reason sent out double > >email's . I know how some members get upset about receiving the same email > >twice. So I'm very sorry once again. > > > > > >Luis > > > All right. That does it. > > Luis, you are seriously and dangerously short on clue. > > I have tried being polite to you and hinting at what would be proper > netiquette, but it appears your clueon flux is close to nil. > > For the edification of others by the principle of "learn from the mistakes of > others", I am making this public. > > Your most grievous transgression is the inclusion of an ENTIRE post, or worse, > and ENTIRE DAY'S DIGEST, to which your reply numbered within the handful of > lines. You failed to remove irrelevant *portions* of text. Do note that the > post to which you reply is being *quoted*. As such, PLEASE remove the portions > of text which has absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying. If not > for the sake of modem users, then, please, for the sake of thread continuity! > It becomes disruptive to a thread when your post consists of an entire day's > digest of which only 12 lines are relevant, and the other 200 still have to be > drudged through because they were still included because you did not bother > removing those lines. > > It is not that difficult to delete unrelated lines of text. See that mouse? > In your reply post, highlight (you *DO* know how to highlight, right?) the > unrelated text and hit Delete. You know, that key on your keyboard labeled > "Delete". That's what I was trying to hint at, but apparently such very > explicit steps were still too subtle for you. > > If you must require an enumeration of WHY deleting unrelated lines of text is > important, I am more than willing to list them out. It is a common practice > of netiquette, and there are plenty of resources on that. > > You may or may not know, but AOL (America OnLine) in general has a reputation > for clueless people. When AOL first let its subscribers loose on the Internet, > there was a sudden explosion in the number of instances where a reply to a > mailing list or a newsgroup consisted of anywhere from 20 to 2000 lines of > quoted text, and a single line of "I agree", or "Me too", the much infamous > me-too'ers. This was, and is, horrendously rude. If readers wanted to hold > on the entire original post, they would have. If they got rid of the entire > original post, they did so for a reason. Quoting the entire post verbatim > and replying with a single line was forcefully stuffing the same thing down > the readers throat that they already read, or did not want to keep. > > A reply should contain enough of the original message to make it obvious what > the context of the reply is. There are people who receive upwards of 500 > pieces of e-mail per day. Not only would having every single mailing post > contain the entire original quoted verbatim cause much trouble with mailbox > sizes, but these people do not have enough time to sift through 700 lines of > text to figure out what someone is responding to. There should be enough > quoted material so that such a person would still know what the flow of > conversation was even though a day or two has passed. An entire day's digest > is excessive. A 1:300 ratio of reply to quoted is also excessive. At the > very least, strive to maintain a 1:1 ratio of lines of reply to lines of quote. > > In plain English, try to have as many lines of reply as you have lines of > quoted original. Cut down on the quoted original post if you must, but please, > don't pull a stunt like reply with 2 lines to a 300 line post that is fully > included verbatim. > > I have remained silent on this for a a very long while. I figured you, Luis, > would eventually learn. I was hopeful you would learn from example, from the > other posts on this list. About snipping out, that is removing, irrelevant > text in replies. Was that not obvious enough in this amount of time? There > were more than enough instances of other people snipping irrelevant text that > you should have learned by osmosis. There was a reason for it being done! > > > > > Your most recent post is an even worse transgression. Not only is your Python > question TOTALLY *UN*related to the original post's information on sound > configuration, BUT THAT ORIGINAL POST WAS A MONTH AGO. Please, explain the > logic behind what you have pulled. The original post you quoted is totally > irrelevant, and it was post that is way old. Why did you do that? Is there > something wrong with just sending a new fresh mail to the mailing list? Were > you somehow desperate to dig up this mailing list's e-mail address from your > mail archives? Has a mail virus randomly decimated your mail setup? Or are > you deliberately trying to be rude? > > > Consider this a flame. I have given you the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps > you were just making minor mistakes but still clueful. I have tried being > polite and subtle, but that didn't work. I now find I must be direct, forward, > rude, and in your face to get my point across. You have been overtly rude as a > netizen, and I feel it is time you change your ways in this respect. If you > require additional resources on proper netiquette, I will be more than happy to > dig them up for you. > > > If you still do not understand what I am saying, I fear for your abilities. > PLEASE, REMOVE IRRELEVANT LINES YOUR REPLIES! Otherwise, I will have to > repeatly beat you with the ClueStick(TM) until you understand. > > > -Fred > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From n_nelson@pacbell.net Wed, 10 May 2000 20:46:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:46:40 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux Installation Bug Dear UCLA-LUG, I am having a small problem getting Linux installed. Not finding disk drive at Choosing Install screen (using Custom or Gnome).. The message is: An error has occurred - no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems. ... The computer is a new Dell, 700mhz, 20g drive, and should be Linux compatible--I used the same specs from their Linux computer page and discussed this with their sales agent. I used Partition Magic to create logical partitions for Win98: 8g; Linux swap: 128mg; Linux Ext2: 11.5g; as recommended by Partition Magic. And BootMagic is set up to select either Win98 or Linux (when it is installed). RedHat is expected to get back to me in a day or two, but I thought you might have some ideas. Thank you, Neil Nelson n_nelson@pacbell.net From mfasheh Wed, 10 May 2000 22:59:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:59:34 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) Alright guys, lets try and calm down for a bit -- we do want to keep the list friendly right? I'm sure Luis gets the point by now... --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From jbarratt@ucla.edu Wed, 10 May 2000 23:41:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:41:53 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) Uh . . . FWIW Mark, I think Dan was making a funny :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark James Fasheh To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) > Alright guys, lets try and calm down for a bit -- we do want to keep the > list friendly right? I'm sure Luis gets the point by now... > --Mark > > > > -------------- > If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. > > President, UCLA LUG > Mark James Fasheh > http://www.exothermic.org > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From mfasheh Wed, 10 May 2000 23:54:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:54:07 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) hehe... duh, I guess my sense of humor needs work.. well, the comments still stand for a certain (inflammatory) poster :) Unless of course, Fred was *also* making a funny, then I'd _really_ be in trouble! --Mark On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:41:53PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: > Uh . . . FWIW Mark, I think Dan was making a funny :) > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Thu, 11 May 2000 00:21:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:21:54 -0700 From: Justin Boseant justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux Installation Bug On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:46:40PM -0700, n_nelson@pacbell.net wrote: ; ;Dear UCLA-LUG, ; ;The message is: An error has occurred - no valid devices ;were found on which to create new file systems. ... i.e. could not find your hard disk.... ; ;The computer is a new Dell, 700mhz, 20g drive, and should ;be Linux compatible--I used the same specs from their Linux ;computer page and discussed this with their sales agent. Many new computers use AT66 and although linux has (beta) support, it isn't available in the automated installation stuff yet (correct me if I'm wrong). It requires a bit of thought and maybe someone else has hacked through it. I'm not the one to ask here, since I'd rather just stick with AT33, but I that sounds like that might be your problem. Same thing happened to my roomate last night (BTW). I just told him to switch it back to his AT33 slot (may not be available on all motherboards though). Good Luck -justin From justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Thu, 11 May 2000 00:27:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:27:54 -0700 From: Justin Boseant justin@cat-n-mouse.penguinpowered.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:02:11PM -0700, Frederick Lee wrote: ;On Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:53 -0700, said Luis : ;>I'm very sorry to all the members, Eudora for some reason sent out double ;>email's . I know how some members get upset about receiving the same email ;>twice. So I'm very sorry once again. ;> ;> ;>Luis ; ; ;All right. That does it. ; ;Luis, you are seriously and dangerously short on clue. ; ;repeatly beat you with the ClueStick(TM) until you understand. ; ;-Fred Luis thanks for your posts, it shows your interested. Just remember the editing thing and check the manual before writing to the list. Those 2 things will probably save you from any more flame. -justin From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Thu, 11 May 2000 00:58:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:58:32 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] [Virus] IDontLoveYou] This is the Unix version of "I Love You". It works on the honor system. If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s, and binaries from your home directory, then send a copy of this e-mail to everyone you know. John From JohnWenger@earthlink.net Wed, 10 May 2000 11:20:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:20:33 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@earthlink.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] E3 anyone? Dimi Shahbaz wrote: > > Just curious if anyone else is planning on going to E3 this week? > > -dimi Is admission free, even for the exhibits, and do you know how to get free passes to the exhibits? My hunch is that even the exhibits cost, and vendors get free passes to give away to their customers. John From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 02:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] E3 anyone? > Is admission free, even for the exhibits, and do you know > how to get free passes to the exhibits? My hunch is that > even the exhibits cost, and vendors get free passes to give > away to their customers. Well, if you sign up ahead of time, and you're part of the entertainment industry (or if you say you are :) then they send you a free exhibits+conferences pass. I was just asking if anyone else had gotten a free pass. But yeah, now everything is not free. dimi From chand@usc.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 02:16:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:16:47 -0700 From: PrometheuS chand@usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Re: [sclug-chat] [Virus] IDontLoveYou] Damnit John! thats not cool! i really really liked those gifs. o wait, whats this honor system? hmmm $ps fax just as i thought, I'm not running honord. i guess i'm safe. good thing i opted for a linux system, its good to use a real OS. but just in case, i'd better submit this to cert. John Wenger wrote: > This is the Unix version of "I Love You". It works on the > honor system. > > If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, > MP3s, and binaries from your home directory, then send a > copy of this e-mail to everyone you know. > > John -- -David Chan Scientists were preparing an experiment to ask the ultimate question. They had worked for months gathering one each of every computer that was built. Finally the big day was at hand. All the computers were linked together. They asked the question, "Is there a God?". Lights started blinking, flashing and blinking some more. Suddenly, there was a loud crash, and a bolt of lightning came down from the sky, struck the computers, and welded all the connections permanently together. "There is now", came the reply. From n_nelson@pacbell.net Thu, 11 May 2000 06:34:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:34:57 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux Installation Bug Thank you Justin, Yes, my ATA66 controller is the problem. This is confirmed by a search on ATA66 at RedHat. At lsd.linux.cz, there appears to be ATA66 code in the 2.3.99-pre2 Linux kernel configuration help text. Linux weekly news (lwn.net) indicates the current development release is 2.3.99-pre6 suggesting that if I could figure out a way to use that release for installation, my ATA66 problem may be overcome (though other problems may arise). Or just wait for the release of 2.3.x that appears to be soon. Or Dell may have an easy, temporary way-- since 2.3.x is soon expected to fix the problem--to get to ATA33. Neil Nelson n_nelson@packbell.net On 11 May 2000, at 0:21, Justin Boseant wrote: > Many new computers use AT66 and although linux has (beta) support, it > isn't available in the automated installation stuff yet (correct me if > I'm wrong). It requires a bit of thought and maybe someone else has > hacked through it. I'm not the one to ask here, since I'd rather just > stick with AT33, but I that sounds like that might be your problem. > Same thing happened to my roomate last night (BTW). I just told him > to switch it back to his AT33 slot (may not be available on all > motherboards though). > > Good Luck > > -justin From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 07:54:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:54:51 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] A ClueStick(TM) >From my perspective, Fred *was* making a funny. He just wasn't *trying* to. In other words, one sign of maturity is the kind of courtesy that he was suggesting, but another sign of maturity is *tolerance* in those who may not be so swift on the uptake. In my eyes, the irony was pretty deep. Best, Glenn At 11:54 PM 5/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >hehe... duh, I guess my sense of humor needs work.. well, the comments >still stand for a certain (inflammatory) poster :) Unless of course, Fred >was *also* making a funny, then I'd _really_ be in trouble! > --Mark > >On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:41:53PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: >> Uh . . . FWIW Mark, I think Dan was making a funny :) >> (snip of 4 million list auto-sigs) From steveb99@earthlink.net Thu, 11 May 2000 08:56:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:56:52 -0700 From: SteveB 99 steveb99@earthlink.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Need help finding an article Once again I read an article and thought I saved the URL and didn't. This was a article on why Linux isn't ready for the Enterprise. Don't get upset it was written by a Linux avocate and outlined the missing pieces, who is working on new pieces, and a timeline. In generel the article points to Enterprise level backup, fault tolerance (i.e. failover clustering, but not Beowolf pocess distribution), and databases with enterprise level features. Article does estimate these things should start appearing in the next year or two. What I'm mainly interested in was the article had links to companies working on Linux solutions for the enterprise. If anyone know of the article and where I can find it I would appreciate it, or similar articles. TIA Steve B. From mfasheh Thu, 11 May 2000 10:55:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:55:31 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux Installation Bug Neil, You might want to try the latest Linux Mandrake release (http://www.linuxmandrake.com/), I believe they have their kernel patched to support udma66. (can anyone confirm this?) --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From jvonstei@ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 11:53:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:53:33 -0700 From: Jana von Stein jvonstei@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFBB3F.8887D400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I hope I'm sending this e-mail to the right place. I would really = appreciate any help/input/suggestions any of you might have.=20 I have an internal modem on my computer, and my computer came with = Windows. I installed Linux on my computer by splitting the hard drive, = so now I have both Windows and Linux. I am unable to connect to the web = through Linux. I was told by a friend that most internal modems are = configured to only work with Windows if the computer you buy comes with = Windows. So, I have 2 questions: -is it possible to somehow configure my modem so that it works with = Linux? -if the above is impossible, I suppose this means I have to buy an = external modem. Do any of you know if all external modems work with = Linux? Many thanks for any answers to these questions, Jana von Stein ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFBB3F.8887D400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I hope I'm sending this e-mail to the = right place.=20 I would really appreciate any help/input/suggestions any of you might = have.=20
 
I have an internal modem on my = computer, and my=20 computer came with Windows. I installed Linux on my computer by = splitting the=20 hard drive, so now I have both Windows and Linux. I am unable to connect = to the=20 web through Linux. I was told by a friend that most internal modems are=20 configured to only work with Windows if the computer you buy comes with = Windows.=20 So, I have 2 questions:
 
-is it possible to somehow configure my = modem so=20 that it works with Linux?
-if the above is impossible, I suppose = this means I=20 have to buy an external    modem.  Do any of = you know=20 if all external modems work with Linux?
 
Many thanks for any answers to these=20 questions,
Jana von Stein
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFBB3F.8887D400-- From charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:10 -0700 From: Charles Harvey charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFBB41.044FCBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice Virus. Go heal yourself. -----Original Message----- From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On Behalf Of Jana von Stein Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:54 AM To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) This file was infected with a virus. The file was quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:03 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFBB41.044FCBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice=20 Virus.  Go heal yourself.
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This file was infected with a virus. The = file was=20 quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Thursday, May 11, 2000=20 12:03 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFBB41.044FCBF0-- From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 12:09:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:09:29 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Linux Installation Bug --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 10:55:31AM -0700, Mark James Fasheh wrote: > Neil, > You might want to try the latest Linux Mandrake release > (http://www.linuxmandrake.com/), I believe they have their kernel patched > to support udma66. (can anyone confirm this?) I tried to confirm this for about a half hour and had trouble. I bet the beta 7.1 has this fix. Otherwise one might be able to kludge the install of any distribution by using this page from LDP: http://linux.usc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA-5.html The whole doc is informative too. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5GwVo4U3i4m+7U54RAUrKAJ9OY7wla0a6SCHijF7En+c2TBc37wCcCjVd pJNXiBXtDIaAHr3/ZnNtyGs= =C74+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v-- From jbarratt@ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 12:16:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:16:55 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) >I was told by a friend that most internal modems are configured to only work with Windows if the computer you buy comes >with Windows. So, I have 2 questions: This is probably true these days . . . what you need to do is figure out what kind of modem you actually have inside your computer. The easy way to do this is check with the manufacturer's web site -- see if they have driver downloads, this is often a good way to see which modem is being used. If this doesn't get you any info, you can pop the computer open and try and get the info of the card itself. This is often not very clear/easy, especially if the modem is on the motherboard. Anyway, if you can figure out which modem you have, then go to http://www.linmodems.org/ and see if it's supported. -if the above is impossible, I suppose this means I have to buy an external modem. Do any of you know if all external modems work with Linux? I imagine you wouldn't have good luck with a USB modem (do they have those?) but any modem that works on the serial port should work. BTW, if you haven't checked the top of the linmodems page before (I hadn't) they have some neat ideas for why you might acutally want to use one! (lower Quake latency, anyone?) HTH, Josh From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 12:27:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:27:13 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 11:53:33AM -0700, Jana von Stein wrote: > I was told by a friend that most internal modems are configured > to only work with Windows if the computer you buy comes with Windows. Your friend was half right. Most cheap internal modems actually are very dumb and do not have sufficient hardware to actually be a modem. So the CPU does the rest. This requires special drivers which the hardware manufacturer usually writes for windows only. And even though they do not have anything special about their hardware they typically refuse to open the specs to said hardware to make it possible for someone else to write a linux driver. *rant* What is so dang special about a weak DSP and an ISA/PCI interface circuit that these bozos have to hide the spec for? Commodity hardware is just that, commodity. Any manufacturer can make one easily. > -is it possible to somehow configure my modem so that it works with Linux? If it is a 'winmodem', no. But just in case look up your particular modem at this website: http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.html It ought to tell you definitively the working status of your modem. If it isn't a 'winmodem' and it is in an ISA slot chances are it just needs to be configured with isapnptools. Which is pretty easy to do. > -if the above is impossible, I suppose this means I have to buy an > external modem. Do any of you know if all external modems work > with Linux? You could buy an internal modem too, just not a 'winmodem'. Use the above URL to figure out which modem will actually work and then hit pricewatch (http://www.pricewatch.com/) and find the best price. I am decidely in the 'external' church in the ext/int modem religous war. But I do not pretend to convert every heathen :). And AFAIK all external modems that use the standard serial port work with linux *period*. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5GwmR4U3i4m+7U54RAYSYAJ0Y0XR2zFh5IIknP9HU6IUvBtar8wCfVJB2 ONQZdOxGREx7u+3i048fHqs= =KenP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 12:16:55PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: > I imagine you wouldn't have good luck with a USB modem (do they have thos= e?) > but any modem that works on the serial port should work. They do, but they typically come with the standard serial port as well. > BTW, if you haven't checked the top of the linmodems page before (I hadn'= t) > they have some neat ideas for why you might acutally want to use one! (lo= wer > Quake latency, anyone?) I don't know if I agree with John or Linmodem.org about latency. There are no benchmarks on the linmodem site nor has John actually tried it himself. On top of that, every cpu cycle is precious to such 3d games and a linmodem is going to suck more of it which may just outway the benefit. Of course, if you are that worried about online gaming you probably should consider investing in dsl/cable. E=20 --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group President http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5GwtG4U3i4m+7U54RAfj4AJ9wli7VTCJe4PaIgV4qnzl5+LnURQCfcAdI Rojs1JgJcHM0j0e1FE/GIKg= =0o6i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Thu, 11 May 2000 13:33:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:33:44 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Re: [lula] Need help finding an article Searching can be a bear because the engines cover different territories with only partial overlapping, so multiple search engines are your answer. I start with Google hoping for a quick find, and then try AltaVista (for quickness), or InfoSeek (for well-focussed searches), or HotBot (for sophisticated Boolean searches), or DogPile (for overwhelming completeness). DejaNews is likely to turn it up if there has been enough time for people to comment on your target article. HTH. John SteveB 99 wrote: > > Once again I read an article and thought I saved the URL and didn't. This > was a article on why Linux isn't ready for the Enterprise. snip. > What I'm mainly interested in was the article had links to > companies working on Linux solutions for the enterprise. From x@xman.org Thu, 11 May 2000 13:34:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:34:55 -0700 From: Christopher B. Smith x@xman.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Re: [lula] Need help finding an article > Searching can be a bear because the engines cover different > territories with only partial overlapping, so multiple > search engines are your answer. Actually, if you're specifically searching for news articles about Linux, I'd recommend searching on LinuxToday (I'm sure you can figure out the URL). It seems like any news article with the word "Linux" in it ends up getting picked up by their site. --Chris From phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 14:05:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:05:17 -0700 From: Frederick Lee phaethon@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) On Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:10 -0700, said "Charles Harvey" : >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFBB41.044FCBF0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Nice Virus. Go heal yourself. > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu [mailto:linux-admin@linux.ucla.edu]On >Behalf Of Jana von Stein > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:54 AM > To: linux@linux.ucla.edu > Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) > > > This file was infected with a virus. The file was quarantined by Norton >AntiVirus. Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:03 > [snip HTML version] You know, now I remember why I stick to mailx(1) and vim(1) for my mail-reading. Personally, I've always considered HTML mail to be a nuisance. Wastefully fills up my mailbox with bloated dupes. But that's just me. Seriously considering a HTML filter for Mailman. Must learn Python first, though. Wonder if Python can system(3) Perl... -Fred From jbarratt@ucla.edu Thu, 11 May 2000 14:39:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:39:04 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) > You know, now I remember why I stick to mailx(1) and vim(1) for my > mail-reading. Personally, I've always considered HTML mail to be a nuisance. > Wastefully fills up my mailbox with bloated dupes. But that's just me. > -Fred I installed the procmail filters from http://www.wolfenet.com/~jhardin/procmail-security.html, specifically the html-trap ruleset. ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/html-trap.procmail. I have an imap server running on my machine and sometimes connect to it with MicroCruft like OE -- so this is nice and "defangs" scary content like object tags, the iloveyou virus, etc etc. Josh From charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Thu, 11 May 2000 14:46:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:46:07 -0700 From: Charles Harvey charles@lakinkos.vservers.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) |>| On Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:10 -0700, said "Charles Harvey" |>| >Nice Virus. Go heal yourself. |>| >Behalf Of Jana von Stein |>| You know, now I remember why I stick to mailx(1) and vim(1) for my |>| mail-reading. Personally, I've always considered HTML mail to |>| be a nuisance. |>| Wastefully fills up my mailbox with bloated dupes. But that's just me. |>| |>| Seriously considering a HTML filter for Mailman. Must learn |>| Python first, |>| though. Wonder if Python can system(3) Perl... |>| |>| |>| -Fred Too true, and once I can shed the MS curse I will, but my grad student wife who swore she would kill me deaded than dead if I changed anything until after her prospectus defense. Thankfully, we are past that so I expect a fuller plunge into the shadowy realm of linux (wee!). can't wait to be virus free forever (until so other CS student gets creative... :>) Charles From mmt@gnull.eyep.net Thu, 11 May 2000 17:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Tobenkin mmt@gnull.eyep.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Python vs. Perl I would say if you know C based languages you should learn Perl. If you have no programming experience or just with non C based languages Python is clean, well documented and easy to catch on to. If you need any help I am available for either :). --MMT From mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Fri, 12 May 2000 11:28:00 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:28:00 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: MIng Yu mingqiang.yu@anderson.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc files I've tried to put some system environment variables in /etc/profile and system alias in /etc/bashrc files. It seems that when I log in, the system environment variables are recognized while system alias are not(at the end of /etc/bashrc, alias ls='ls -a --color'. The followings are my /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc file. My login shell is the linux default shell, bash shell. Thanks for your help. /etc/profile: # /etc/profile # System wide environment and startup programs # Functions and aliases go in /etc/bashrc PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin" PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " ulimit -c 1000000 if [ `id -gn` = `id -un` -a `id -u` -gt 14 ]; then umask 002 else umask 022 fi USER=`id -un` LOGNAME=$USER MAIL="/var/spool/mail/$USER" HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` HISTSIZE=1000 HISTFILESIZE=1000 INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc export PATH PS1 USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME HISTSIZE HISTFILESIZE INPUTRC for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do if [ -x $i ]; then . $i fi done unset i /etc/bashrc # /etc/bashrc # System wide functions and aliases # Environment stuff goes in /etc/profile # For some unknown reason bash refuses to inherit # PS1 in some circumstances that I can't figure out. # Putting PS1 here ensures that it gets loaded every time. PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " alias ls = 'ls -a --color' ming ---------------------- From denis@seas.ucla.edu Fri, 12 May 2000 16:11:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:11:59 -0700 From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] question about laptop screen/redhat 6.1 hello, wonder if anyone knows what's going on. I just installed Redhat 6.1 on IBM ThinkPad 770x. I managed to get the X running ( with 8 bpp :) but there is an annoying problem. BOTH in console and in X modes, it looks like redhat only sees part of my screen. It displays everything in the square in the middle of the screen, with margins of about 2-3 inches on the sides, top and bottom. The problem does not seem to be X-related, as it is happening even if I dont run X. Does anyone know if it's something I can fix, or is it just tough luck and i will have to live with this? thanks. denis From todd@mrball.net Fri, 12 May 2000 22:37:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:37:17 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] question about laptop screen/redhat 6.1 Denis wrote: > BOTH in console and in X modes, it looks like redhat only sees part of my > screen. > It displays everything in the square in the middle of the screen, with > margins of > about 2-3 inches on the sides, top and bottom. The problem does not seem to I had this same problem on my laptop when I was experimenting with X settings. However, it appears that your problem might be a bit different. My problems appeared when I had a bogus X setting and exited X. Then the text mode wouldn't come up right. If it's happening to you, then it's a different problem--one of stretch, where the video setup should "stretch" the screen to fit. I only know what it's called, not how to fix it. Check out this website for more help. It is a TREMENDOUS resource for putting Linux on Laptops: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From mfasheh Sat, 13 May 2000 02:30:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:30:47 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] question about laptop screen/redhat 6.1 On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:11:59PM -0700, Denis wrote: > hello, > > wonder if anyone knows what's going on. > > I just installed Redhat 6.1 on IBM ThinkPad 770x. I managed to > get the X running ( with 8 bpp :) but there is an annoying problem. I believe IBM has some sites with info on their laptops and linux. You might want to confirm this. > > BOTH in console and in X modes, it looks like redhat only sees part of my > screen. > It displays everything in the square in the middle of the screen, with > margins of > about 2-3 inches on the sides, top and bottom. The problem does not seem to > be > X-related, as it is happening even if I dont run X. This is related to how the laptops and their displays are made. If you notice, when your laptop first boots up, all the text will be in that same square. If you try running dos, without going into windows first, you'll probably see the same thing. AFAIK, this is how they behave in text mode (although mine doesn't, but I have seen plenty of others that do). X however should work 'fullscreen', so I would say you try changing your settings. Do yourself a favor, and backup the /etc/X11/XF86Config file first. This will save you alot of pain if your new settings don't work. -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From lahrech@netcourrier.com Sat, 13 May 2000 19:02:34 +0300 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:02:34 +0300 From: Atef lahrech@netcourrier.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFBD0D.CC0EA6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable send some useful information about passeword hacking. medamin@madmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFBD0D.CC0EA6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
send some useful = information about=20 passeword hacking.
medamin@madmail.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFBD0D.CC0EA6C0-- From denis@seas.ucla.edu Sat, 13 May 2000 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] question about laptop screen/redhat 6.1 thanks. yeah, this is exactly the case. once i got the x setup properly, it started operating on the full screen. i am happy. denis mfashe >(although mine doesn't, but I have seen plenty of others that do). X however should mfashe >work 'fullscreen', so I would say you try changing your settings. Do mfashe >yourself a favor, and backup the /etc/X11/XF86Config file first. This will mfashe >save you alot of pain if your new settings don't work. From thefonz@fonz.net Sun, 14 May 2000 04:50:34 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 04:50:34 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch thefonz@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) > Atef wrote: > > send some useful information about passeword hacking. > medamin@madmail.com > Do any of us actually have to dignify that with answser? From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 09:12:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:12:18 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) My immediate reaction was to respond with "Don't.", but then he might just be a sysadmin with a bad case of CDS, rather than a script kiddie or some other lower form of life. Best, Glenn At 04:50 AM 5/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >> Atef wrote: >> >> send some useful information about passeword hacking. >> medamin@madmail.com >> > >Do any of us actually have to dignify that with answser? > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From sakumar@ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 14:14:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:14:36 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFBDAE.BBE269C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone! I receive the following error when executing a C program for CS111 after = having run gcc to compile it: # a.out bash: a.out: command not found How can I fix this? I am running Red Hat Linux 6.2. Thanks, Santosh Kumar ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFBDAE.BBE269C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone!
 
I receive the following error when executing a C = program for=20 CS111 after having run gcc to compile it:
 
# a.out
bash: a.out: command not found
 
How can I fix this?  I am running Red Hat Linux = 6.2.
 
Thanks,
Santosh Kumar
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFBDAE.BBE269C0-- From witten@linux.ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 14:24:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:24:52 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:14:36PM -0700, Santosh Kumar wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I receive the following error when executing a C program for CS111 after having run gcc to compile it: > > # a.out > bash: a.out: command not found > > How can I fix this? I am running Red Hat Linux 6.2. Try typing: ./a.out The "./" tells the shell to look in your current directory for the binary, which it doesn't do by default, for security reasons. > > Thanks, > Santosh Kumar -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From sakumar@ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 16:17:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:17:41 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFBDBF.EDA3EE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Dan! Thanks for the response! I do have a question though, how do I set it up such that I don't have = to type "./" before a.out? Thanks, Santosh On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:14:36PM -0700, Santosh Kumar wrote: > Hello everyone! >=20 > I receive the following error when executing a C program for CS111 = after having run gcc to compile it: >=20 > # a.out > bash: a.out: command not found >=20 > How can I fix this? I am running Red Hat Linux 6.2. Try typing: ./a.out The "./" tells the shell to look in your current directory for the = binary, which it doesn't do by default, for security reasons. >=20 > Thanks, > Santosh Kumar --=20 Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFBDBF.EDA3EE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dan!
 
Thanks for the response!
 
I do have a question though, how do I set it up such = that I=20 don't have to type "./" before a.out?
 
Thanks,
Santosh
 
On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:14:36PM -0700, Santosh = Kumar=20 wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I = receive the=20 following error when executing a C program for CS111 after having run = gcc to=20 compile it:
>
> # a.out
> bash: = a.out:=20 command not found
>
> How can I fix = this?  I am=20 running Red Hat Linux 6.2.

Try typing:
./a.out

The = "./"=20 tells the shell to look in your current directory for the = binary,
which it=20 doesn't do by default, for security reasons.

> =
>=20 Thanks,
> Santosh Kumar

--
Dan = Helfman
UCLA Linux=20 Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu
My = GnuPG key:=20 http://torsion.org/witt= en/public-key.txt


------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFBDBF.EDA3EE50-- From todd@mrball.net Sun, 14 May 2000 16:25:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:25:59 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program > Santosh Kumar wrote: > I do have a question though, how do I set it up such that I don't have > to type "./" before a.out? If you read Dan's reply very carefully, he tells you why you have to do this. Quoted below for your convenience: > The "./" tells the shell to look in your current directory for the > binary, which it doesn't do by default, for security reasons. If you configure your system path to search the current directory, you open up a huge security hole (reduce the security of your system by orders of magnitude). It's no fun when your system gets cracked and you can't control or even log in to your own machine. My advice is to get used to typing ./ in front of something that you want to execute that is not in a directory in the searched path. I hate to use cliches but "it's for your own good." -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From jbarratt@ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 16:48:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:48:52 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program > I do have a question though, how do I set it up such that I don't have > to type "./" before a.out? If you aren't networked or anything I wouldn't really worry about it . . . all you have to do is add "." to your path. If you are using bash, just edit the .bash_profile file's PATH= line so it says PATH=$PATH:.:$HOME/bin: . . . etc. I mean, if you are just using this for CS111 and aren't really going to do the whole linux thing long term there's no real reason to learn good habits. From j.jones@gte.net Sun, 14 May 2000 17:18:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:18:05 -0700 From: john R. Jones j.jones@gte.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program > Santosh Kumar wrote: > I do have a question though, how do I set it up such that I don't have to type "./" before a.out? One way would be to create a "bin" directory in your home directory. I'm not sure about RedHat 6.2, but in 6.0 that directory is already in your PATH. You can type "set" to check. If your login is "kumar", for example, it will look something like this: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin/:/home/kumar/bin Rename the a.out file to something descriptive; you'll have to do this if you plan to write more than one program :-) and then move it to ~/bin ( /home/kumar/bin ). Another possibility is to put the file in /usr/local/bin. This directory (as you would guess from the name) is for local scripts and programs. As long as the script or program is in a directory that is in your PATH, you can just type it's name. BTW, I would agree with other posts that suggest that you do not put your current directory in your PATH. If you _really_ wanted to just be able to type "a.out" without moving the file to another directory, you would modify the PATH to have . as the last entry on the PATH, thusly: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin/:. The dot ( . ) stands for your current directory. Again, this is usually a bad idea; I just wanted to answer your question completely. Cheers, John From uzi@linuxcare.com Sun, 14 May 2000 17:41:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:41:07 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program * Josh Barratt [000514 17:19]: > If you aren't networked or anything I wouldn't really worry about it . . . > all you have to do is add "." to your path. If you are using bash, just edit > the .bash_profile file's PATH= line so it says Well, even if you are networked, and with many users on the system, it can be safe. The idea is that you want to put the '.' last in your path, and make no typos. Don't type "sl" instead of "ls" in a directory you don't control, for example. But as long as you don't do something stupid like leave your home directory writable or something, or go and make common typos in a directory you don't control, you should be ok. The thing is, to the original poster, I know you're used to DOS or whatever, and I know it's different. Nevertheless, it's better to be in the practice of the native OS... > PATH=$PATH:.:$HOME/bin: . . . etc. I mean, if you are just using this for > CS111 and aren't really going to do the whole linux thing long term there's > no real reason to learn good habits. Yes, and the key thing is to have the '.' _last_. This is a must. As an example, if you put it first, and someone has an "ls" executable in their home directory you type type "ls" there, you're running their version of "ls". And I would exploit such mistakes with a script like so: --- # Here, I do something evil, like send an email to someone as you, or # delete all your files in your home directory, or something like the # old "while 1 { mkdir adir; cd adir; touch afile }" in your home dir. # Basically, something nasty... or be nice and do this: echo "YOU HAVE A SERIOUS SECURITY PROBLEM! EMAIL ___@___.___, AND I'LL" echo "EXPLAIN WHY." sleep 5 /bin/ls $* --- The last line pretty much carries through their request with desired options... -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From justin@cs.ucla.edu Sun, 14 May 2000 20:48:00 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:48:00 -0700 From: justin@cs.ucla.edu justin@cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program Can we put together a CS111 FAQ or something? About every couple months I think I've seen that one. I'm not really irritated, but it certainly would be easier for them. Has anyone taken CS111 that would know what to put in there? Is there anyone that would like to head this up, or could we put a form on the website that people could submit questions for the FAQ or another email alias? What's the best way to compile and manage this and who would like to do it? -justin From gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 07:48:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:48:31 -0700 From: Glenn Glazer gglazer@pic.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program I think that would be an excellent idea. I could probably do some of the work for a web FAQ if I was allowed to start after the quarter was over. :) The best way to do it is incrementally: I kept all my old emails from when I took CS 111, so I can put in answers to general (non-project related) questions as well as any from the web logs of the LUG list. Then, as new questions come in, add them to the list. I would like someone else to do the current maintenence, though: making sure that the old FAQ answers are true and complete as new distros come out. Best, Glenn At 08:48 PM 5/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >Can we put together a CS111 FAQ or something? About every couple months I >think I've seen that one. I'm not really irritated, but it certainly would be >easier for them. Has anyone taken CS111 that would know what to put in there? >Is there anyone that would like to head this up, or could we put a form on the >website that people could submit questions for the FAQ or another email alias? >What's the best way to compile and manage this and who would like to do it? > >-justin > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From pape@ph.ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: pape@ph.ucla.edu pape@ph.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Problem executing a C program > I receive the following error when executing a C program for CS111 after > having run gcc to compile it: > > # a.out > bash: a.out: command not found > > How can I fix this? I am running Red Hat Linux 6.2. $ ./a.out Unless you have ``.'' in your path (which you normally do not want to do), you'll have to tell it where to find the program you want to run. If you always compile programs in ~/cs111 or something, you might want to add export PATH=$PATH:/home/santosh/cs111 to your ~/.bashrc From howardk@ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 12:00:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:00:22 -0700 From: Howard Kim howardk@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question Hello All, I was wondering if there is anyway to have your login preferences re-read without logging out and then logging back in. For example. I added a new directory to my $PATH in ~howard/.bashrc and wanted to make it active. Do I have to completely log out and back in to make it work? Thanks, Howard From pape@ph.ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 12:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: pape@ph.ucla.edu pape@ph.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question > I was wondering if there is anyway to have your login preferences > re-read without logging out and then logging back in. > > For example. I added a new directory to my $PATH in > ~howard/.bashrc and wanted to make it active. Do I have to > completely log out and back in to make it work? Just source ~howard/.bashrc: . ~howard/.bashrc The ``.'' is equivilant to the 'source' command. It merely executes the shell commands in the current shell. From snotty@linux.com Mon, 15 May 2000 12:03:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:03:55 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question lucky for you, you can just run 'source ~/.bashrc' the only note is that if you just remove a line from your .bashrc and say, you don't want ORACLE_SID to be set anymore, it will still be set in the current session because you haven't logged out yet... =) mike At 12.00 PM 5.15.2000 -0700, you wrote: > Hello All, > > I was wondering if there is anyway to have your login preferences >re-read without logging out and then logging back in. > > For example. I added a new directory to my $PATH in >~howard/.bashrc and wanted to make it active. Do I have to >completely log out and back in to make it work? > > Thanks, > Howard > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From uzi@linuxcare.com Mon, 15 May 2000 12:08:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:08:24 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question * Howard Kim [000515 12:05]: > I was wondering if there is anyway to have your login preferences > re-read without logging out and then logging back in. > > For example. I added a new directory to my $PATH in > ~howard/.bashrc and wanted to make it active. Do I have to > completely log out and back in to make it work? Nope. With an sh-derivative (like bash), you '.' the file... like so: # . ~/.bashrc With a csh-derivative, you "source" it like so: # source ~/.bashrc -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From snotty@linux.com Mon, 15 May 2000 12:57:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:57:37 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question hrm... i've sourced bashrc and cshrc files before.. they both work... =p i dunno. =p whatever works. =) mike At 12.08 PM 5.15.2000 -0700, you wrote: >* Howard Kim [000515 12:05]: >> I was wondering if there is anyway to have your login preferences >> re-read without logging out and then logging back in. >> >> For example. I added a new directory to my $PATH in >> ~howard/.bashrc and wanted to make it active. Do I have to >> completely log out and back in to make it work? > >Nope. With an sh-derivative (like bash), you '.' the file... like >so: > ># . ~/.bashrc > >With a csh-derivative, you "source" it like so: > ># source ~/.bashrc > >-- >Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. >415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax >uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ >Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From justin@cs.ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 13:23:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:23:36 -0700 From: justin@cs.ucla.edu justin@cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Login Question On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 12:57:37PM -0700, mike chan wrote: >hrm... i've sourced bashrc and cshrc files before.. they both work... =p yeah, sh doesn't respond to 'source', and although the bash developers would prefer you to use '. file' (they don't say source works in the man page), 'source' does work the same way. -justin From michaeld@protos.lifesci.ucla.edu Mon, 15 May 2000 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Daines michaeld@protos.lifesci.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Online courses for Linux Hey. I was checking out the online courses at www.computertraining.ucla.edu and they have updated the site with all new courses. Most significantly, there are 4 linux courses (and many UNIX courses) available to anyone from a UCLA login. I took the first course, Linux : Getting Started, and it's not bad. I've been using linux (though sparsely) for a while now, and I still got some new information from it. I think newbies should definitely be directed there, and probably a link from the www.linux.ucla.edu page somewhere. Here's the four courses: Linux: Fundamentals Linux: Configuring the System Linux: Basic Networking Linux: Getting Started Later, msd From david@neongoat.com Mon, 15 May 2000 17:42:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:42:45 -0700 From: David Parker david@neongoat.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFBE94.FA586EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I made this shell script for RedHat a couple days ago to auto-download/configure/compile/install a customized version of apache for a couple servers I run. It downloads and installs apache_1.3.12 with suEXEC enabled, mod_perl-1.23, php-3.0.16, and php-4.0RC2. mod_perl and both versions of PHP run as modules, and PHP is compiled with mysql, imap, freetype, gd, libpng, libjpeg, xml, zlib, and PDFlib support (all these libraries are also downloaded and installed). Usage: put in /root, or a homedir and su, and run ./superapache.sh. All stuff will be downloaded and compiled in ./httpd Catches: - wget must be installed - it assumes that mysql is already installed (or at least the libs for php to link to) - After it's done you'll still need to edit /etc/httpd/conf/*.conf if you haven't already, and enable the php modules/extensions if they aren't already setup. (php's make install should do that on its own) - this will only work well on redhat, since apache is configured with --with-layout=RedHat, and the dependency libraries (freetype, gd, etc) are installed as RPMs. - You have to run it all as root, so double check the script and make sure it won't blow up your computer. Anyways, hope someone finds this useful, it's saved me about 3 hours of manual work :) If you change or add anything (bug fixes or support for non-redhat systems), I'd appreciate your e-mailing me or posting the updated script (it's GPL'd). 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Does anyone know the header to send to tell a client what the name of a file should be called instead of the name of the page. I wrote a php page that downloads a ps/pdf document - converts it to ps - then runs mpage and dumps it back out to the user. The only problem is that netscape/ie/lynx wants to save it as mpage.php. thanks, -justin From howardk@ucla.edu Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:38 -0700 From: Howard Kim howardk@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tux Anyone know where I can get a cool tux figurine that is not stuffed (i.e. a stuff animal doll). My friend got a copy of Corel Linux and it came with a cool tux figurine. The only bad thing is that it says Corel Linux across his chest. I hope there is one out there without advertising. Thanks for the help, Howard From jwlee@ucla.edu Tue, 16 May 2000 21:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: LEE,JAMES WOON jwlee@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail Hi, What exactly is required to send mail directly from my machine at home? I have a dsl connection with static ip. Thanks! -James From snotty@linux.com Tue, 16 May 2000 22:01:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:01:16 -0700 From: mike chan snotty@linux.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail you need to change your MX at your DNS server, and run sendmail at your home machine... getting a domain would also be nice... =) mike At 09.33 PM 5.16.2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >What exactly is required to send mail directly from my machine at home? I >have a dsl connection with static ip. Thanks! > >-James > > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > snotty e/c PGP Key http://www.linuxvalue.com/pgp.html From dcrudup@pacbell.net Tue, 16 May 2000 22:02:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:02:55 -0700 From: DeTavio Crudup dcrudup@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] ppp Eric Hu wrote: > Hi, all > I tried a couple of ways to configure the ppp on my redhat 6.1 and it kept > sending me error message like: pppd error and the remote server can't find a > secret passwd...Interestingly, when I use debug of the redhat internet > dialer, it sounds ok ( I can hear dial tone)except that it keeps dialing and > hanging up. > > -Eric > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux Which version of pppd do have? Have you tried to connect to your ISP using mincom? From todd@mrball.net Tue, 16 May 2000 22:52:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:52:20 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail mike chan wrote: > you need to change your MX at your DNS server, and run sendmail at your > home machine... getting a domain would also be nice... =) > >What exactly is required to send mail directly from my machine at home? I > >have a dsl connection with static ip. Thanks! Mike is right. Installing and configuring sendmail to send mail out to your intended recipients is easy. If you don't have your own domain, however, you won't be able to receive email as you have to have an MX entry on a DNS server that points to your IP address. Typical cost for registering a domainname for 2 years is $70. Cheap investment. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From witten@linux.ucla.edu Tue, 16 May 2000 23:59:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:59:15 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:52:20PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > Typical cost for registering a domainname for 2 years is $70. Cheap > investment. Now there are many registrars that are as cheap as $14.95 per year. Stay away from NSI! > -- > Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From todd@mrball.net Wed, 17 May 2000 07:39:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:39:19 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail Dan Helfman wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:52:20PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > > Typical cost for registering a domainname for 2 years is $70. Cheap > > investment. > > Now there are many registrars that are as cheap as $14.95 per year. Stay > away from NSI! Wow, I didn't know they had gotten that cheap. Or is that in addition to the $70 to register the domain name? I went to www.register.com, paid $70 for 2 years and I can manage my entire account via the web with no required intervention by them. Are we talking apples to apples here? -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From denis@seas.ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 10:33:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:33:26 -0700 From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] gnome+fvwm2 hi, 1. is fvwm2 not a compliant gnome manager? 2. and even if it, strictly speaking, is not fully compliant, wont most gnome apps work in it? 3. and if it does work, does anyone know how to 'force' gnomepager_applet to start in it? thanks a bunch. denis From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 13:08:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:08:43 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] mail On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:39:19AM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > Dan Helfman wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:52:20PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > > > Typical cost for registering a domainname for 2 years is $70. Cheap > > > investment. > > > > Now there are many registrars that are as cheap as $14.95 per year. Stay > > away from NSI! > > Wow, I didn't know they had gotten that cheap. Or is that in addition > to the $70 to register the domain name? This is *instead* of the $70 free. > I went to www.register.com, paid $70 for 2 years and I can manage my > entire account via the web with no required intervention by them. Are we > talking apples to apples here? Yup. Several cheaper registrars have similar services. Jumpdomain.com, Dotster.com, etc. > -- > Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net > * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * > *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* > * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From mfasheh Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:04 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] gnome+fvwm2 > hi, > > 1. is fvwm2 not a compliant gnome manager? fvwm2 out of the box afaik, is not gnome compliant. I believe there are some patches you can d/l to make it compliant. > 2. and even if it, strictly speaking, is not fully compliant, wont most > gnome apps work in it? Gnome applications only require that the libraries be installed. One does not need to be running an actual gnome session to take advantage of it. You can run GNOME applications from anywhere, including KDE. > 3. and if it does work, does anyone know how to 'force' gnomepager_applet > to start in it? can't help you on that one. I can however suggest several lightweight Window Managers which are gnome compliant (I am assuming you run fvwm because you don't want to run E). The current hackers favoraite seems to be Sawmill (http://sawmill.sourceforge.net), but there are others, including IceWM (http://icewm.sourceforge.net). If you just want to get up and go with something like sawmill, without all the configuration to make it act nice, I highly suggest using the helix gnome desktop (www.helixcode.com). It comes with some pretty nice defaults. --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From denis@seas.ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 14:08:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:08:10 -0700 From: Denis denis@seas.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] gnome+fvwm2 thanks. > I can however suggest several lightweight i actually tried sawmill and E. E ( even on pII 350 with 192MB RAM) seemed like windows 98 on a 486... well, ok not that bad, but i did not like it since it was a bit on a slower side. sawmill was ok, but the reason i am trying to run fvwm2 is because it 'seems' to me as if it is the best combination of configurability / speed... i thought it was faster then sawmill. I also like configuring fvwm2 much more then i do sawmill denis From jbarratt@ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 14:50:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:50:36 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Hey all . . . I have what once was a version of Mandrake 6.1 (6.2?) installed on my machine . . . however, I've upgraded umpteen rpm's etc since then and it is currently far from a stock anything. Anyway, I'd like to upgrade this beast to a stock mandrake 7.1 or whatever the latest is . . . I'm starting to have odd inconsistencies in a lot of the gnome garbage, etc. and it'd be nice to sort of start again with a lot of that stuff. (And I tried installing Helix, but I have an "unsupported distro" so it barfs.) My question is about how "clobbery" the upgrade process is . . . I have a lot of customization here, lots of non-rpm software installed, custom init.d scripts, sendmail stuff, etc etc etc. I'll back up the whole /etc tree but I don't have hours and hours right now to get everything back the way it was if I have to manually fix tons of stuff. Does anyone have any experience in what the upgrade process actually does and how nasty it could get? Thanks a bunch . . . Josh From brian@mbi.ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:16 -0700 From: Brian Vicente brian@mbi.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script I get an error at the banner() what do think is wrong? BV At 05:42 PM 5/15/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I made this shell script for RedHat a couple days ago to >auto-download/configure/compile/install a customized version of apache for a >couple servers I run. It downloads and installs apache_1.3.12 with suEXEC >enabled, mod_perl-1.23, php-3.0.16, and php-4.0RC2. mod_perl and both versions >of PHP run as modules, and PHP is compiled with mysql, imap, freetype, gd, >libpng, libjpeg, xml, zlib, and PDFlib support (all these libraries are also >downloaded and installed). > >Usage: >put in /root, or a homedir and su, and run ./superapache.sh. All stuff will be >downloaded and compiled in ./httpd >Catches: >- wget must be installed >- it assumes that mysql is already installed (or at least the libs for php to >link to) >- After it's done you'll still need to edit /etc/httpd/conf/*.conf if you >haven't already, and enable the php modules/extensions if they aren't already >setup. (php's make install should do that on its own) >- this will only work well on redhat, since apache is configured >with --with-layout=RedHat, and the dependency libraries (freetype, gd, etc) are >installed as RPMs. >- You have to run it all as root, so double check the script and make sure it >won't blow up your computer. > >Anyways, hope someone finds this useful, it's saved me about 3 hours of manual >work :) If you change or add anything (bug fixes or support for non-redhat >systems), I'd appreciate your e-mailing me or posting the updated script (it's >GPL'd). > >David > >------- >david@neongoat.com >www.neongoat.com >PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: >0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 >------- > > > >Attachment Converted: "D:\Eudora\Attach\superapache.sh.gz" > From todd@mrball.net Wed, 17 May 2000 18:48:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:48:04 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Josh Barratt wrote: > I'm starting to have odd inconsistencies in a lot of the gnome garbage, etc. > and it'd be nice to sort of start again with a lot of that stuff. (And I > tried installing Helix, but I have an "unsupported distro" so it barfs.) My It concerns me that a program won't install itself due to an "unsupported distro," especially Helix! It seems like the program should look at dependencies like library versions, support programs, etc. If it won't install because it doesn't recognize the distribution, then it sounds awfully non-useful. Don't they realize that many of us manually upgrade programs and libraries? And that many of us (maybe only some?) actually prefer tarballs over pre-packaged binaries of any sort? -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From mfasheh Wed, 17 May 2000 19:04:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:04:48 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:48:04PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > It concerns me that a program won't install itself due to an > "unsupported distro," especially Helix! Helix is very new, and supports the latest (and almost latest) versions of many distros. Mandrake 6.1 is pretty old, (in internet time!), and I'm not surprised that it's 'unsupported'. If you ask me, the number of disros (Debian coming soon!) they support is pretty impressive. > It seems like the program > should look at dependencies like library versions, support programs, > etc. If it won't install because it doesn't recognize the distribution, > then it sounds awfully non-useful. Don't they realize that many of us > manually upgrade programs and libraries? If you do that, then you don't need to run the installer. Simply download the RPMS and install. There is nothing preventing you from doing that. What helixcode is trying to do is support the Linux newbies, and those users who just want to get their work done, not the gurus who manually configure their systems. > And that many of us (maybe > only some?) actually prefer tarballs over pre-packaged binaries of any > sort? Tarballs of all gnome software can be downloaded at ftp.gnome.org. additioanlly you can cvs (my prefferred way :) the software. Instructions are on developer.gnome.org. BTW: if you like tarballs, you probably ought to run something like slackware, which will not get in your way. Package management is in place for a good reason. When you bypass it, you lose many of it's benefits. BTW: I used to be a hardcore tarball fanatic. then I learned how to use RPM. Take the time to learn it -- it really is far superior to manually upgrading stuff (in the ./configure;make;make install; sense). I almost always compile my own stuff, which then gets put into RPMS. It's not that bad... --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From todd@mrball.net Wed, 17 May 2000 19:21:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:21:34 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Mark James Fasheh wrote: > If you do that, then you don't need to run the installer. Simply download > the RPMS and install. There is nothing preventing you from doing that. Since I haven't actually tried Helix yet, it seems that we're talking apples and oranges. Your comment implies that the "installer" is not "rpm -ivvh helix*". Correct? > to run something like slackware, which will not get in your way. Package > management is in place for a good reason. When you bypass it, you lose many > of it's benefits. And a ./configure script can do it all as well, albeit at a slower pace. I don't like the notion of precompiled binaries. Windows proved that to me. And it seems like I get the same series of problems with precompiled binaries in Linux as I did in Windows. > BTW: I used to be a hardcore tarball fanatic. then I learned how to use > RPM. Take the time to learn it -- it really is far superior to manually > upgrading stuff (in the ./configure;make;make install; sense). I almost > always compile my own stuff, which then gets put into RPMS. It's not that > bad... I know that there are benefits for a package based system, but mostly for the newbies. I guess I'll sum it up by saying that I'm somewhat of a control freak when it comes to my system. RPM's don't offer me the level of control that I want. As always, this is America and everybody has the right to disagree with me, but nobody will be able to prove me wrong (in my eyes). -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From mfasheh Wed, 17 May 2000 19:34:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:34:10 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:21:34PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: > Mark James Fasheh wrote: > > > If you do that, then you don't need to run the installer. Simply download > > the RPMS and install. There is nothing preventing you from doing that. > > Since I haven't actually tried Helix yet, it seems that we're talking > apples and oranges. Your comment implies that the "installer" is not > "rpm -ivvh helix*". Correct? The installer is a seperate program which runs and downloads the necessary packages for you, it will also notify you of updates and download them if you ask it to. It is all transparent, and fits right into the computers package manager. Otherwise, one can manually download the RPMS for their distro, and install the stuff. > > > to run something like slackware, which will not get in your way. Package > > management is in place for a good reason. When you bypass it, you lose many > > of it's benefits. > > And a ./configure script can do it all as well, albeit at a slower > pace. I don't like the notion of precompiled binaries. Windows proved > that to me. And it seems like I get the same series of problems with > precompiled binaries in Linux as I did in Windows. Yeah, agreed, but that's why I recommended you check out slack. It won't get in the way of you doing these sorts of things. I would think that package management is of no use to you, so why not get rid of it, and save yourself the space (and gain some configurability as well). > I know that there are benefits for a package based system, but mostly > for the newbies. I guess I'll sum it up by saying that I'm somewhat of > a control freak when it comes to my system. RPM's don't offer me the > level of control that I want. As always, this is America and everybody > has the right to disagree with me, but nobody will be able to prove me > wrong (in my eyes). I disagree :) seriously though, the point I'm trying to illustrate is that you can be just as much of a control freak with a package management system. RPM's offer you just as much control, you just have to learn to make your own packages. What RPM adds however, is an efficient way to keep track of what you have on your system, and where you installed it, etc. It will also give you an automated uninstall (which again, you can configure). One of the problems I ran into when doing the whole tarball thing, was that I never could remember just what stuff I had on my system, what versions of it, where it was installed (including what files had been installed), and which files belonged to which packages. RPM helped solve this by keeping a database of what I had installed, and where, etc. Once again, all of this is completely configurable (assuming you compile and create your own packages). At any rate, tarballs are fine, but what I'm trying to illustrate is that RPM is just as configurable, and it will actually automate some of what you want it to. --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From mfasheh Wed, 17 May 2000 19:41:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:41:17 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Josh, I've never really upgraded (or used) Mandrake, but I did a very similar thing from rh6.0 to rh6.1. Basically, the install went fine, and the installer simply didn't install any RPMS that were older than what I had. RPM also saved any configuration files that were to be overwritten to FILENAME.rpmsave. As far as non-rpm software goes, most of mine worked fine, though there were some inconsistencies. Things definately needed to be fixed though, so I would plan to have to do some of that. --Mark On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:50:36PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: > Hey all . . . I have what once was a version of Mandrake 6.1 (6.2?) > installed on my machine . . . however, I've upgraded umpteen rpm's etc since > then and it is currently far from a stock anything. Anyway, I'd like to > upgrade this beast to a stock mandrake 7.1 or whatever the latest is . . . > I'm starting to have odd inconsistencies in a lot of the gnome garbage, etc. > and it'd be nice to sort of start again with a lot of that stuff. (And I > tried installing Helix, but I have an "unsupported distro" so it barfs.) My > question is about how "clobbery" the upgrade process is . . . I have a lot > of customization here, lots of non-rpm software installed, custom init.d > scripts, sendmail stuff, etc etc etc. I'll back up the whole /etc tree but I > don't have hours and hours right now to get everything back the way it was > if I have to manually fix tons of stuff. Does anyone have any experience in > what the upgrade process actually does and how nasty it could get? > > Thanks a bunch . . . > Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From mmt@gnull.eyep.net Wed, 17 May 2000 20:54:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:54:57 -0700 From: mmt mmt@gnull.eyep.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Re: mail Instead of purchasing a domain name, one who wanted to run a mailserver could always use a free dynamic IP service like ods or eyep.net (e.g. I run gnull.eyep.net), though such services are intended for dynamic IPs. So if you have the cash, go for a real one, otherwise you can settle for free. -- From witten@linux.ucla.edu Wed, 17 May 2000 22:33:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:33:37 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] elug vendor fair Anyone wanna go to this thing? http://www.elinux.com/showcase/vendorfair/ I'd be going mainly for the other LA-area LUG people, not necessarily for the vendors trying to sell me stuff that I'm not interested in. :) -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From todd@mrball.net Thu, 18 May 2000 00:21:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:21:57 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Mark James Fasheh wrote: > belonged to which packages. RPM helped solve this by keeping a database of > what I had installed, and where, etc. Once again, all of this is completely Is there a generic .spec file that I could use to create rpms in the manner that you describe? I hate editing .spec files. It's not that they don't make sense, it's that they're another format that I'll confuse with perl files, makefiles, and shell scripts. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From mfasheh Thu, 18 May 2000 01:23:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:23:48 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . > Is there a generic .spec file that I could use to create rpms in the > manner that you describe? I hate editing .spec files. It's not that > they don't make sense, it's that they're another format that I'll > confuse with perl files, makefiles, and shell scripts. Well, I usually just grab any old spec file that's 'close enough' to the application that I want, then edit it. Additionally, there's stuff on www.rpm.org that could be of use. Another good thing is to just re-edit the .spec file that comes with a SRPM (assuming it exists, and you don't like the default setup). --Mark -------------- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From kodiak Thu, 18 May 2000 01:25:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:25:00 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Sorry guys, but when i last upgraded mandrake and helix gnome things didn't go as smoothly as i'd like. however, this was a while ago. so maybe everything has gotten better since then. i'll list some problems i ran into: * I had to jump through way too many hoops to get the helix gnome installer working. dependencies here, non-supported distributions there. in fact, i was using mandrake 6.2 and it didn't work. * i tried for a good long time manually downloading the RPMs for helix gnome and install them. throw in some weird dependcy problems i didn't understand and super slow downloads from the helixgnome website and you have one unhappy camper * the installer isn't that smart. somehow its smart enough to see i have certain dependency problems, but its not smart enough to automatically get new RPMs to fix those dependency problems, yet it can automatically get some helix gnome rpms * after jumping through so many hoops to get helix gnome installed, i couldn't for the life of me remember what i did so i couldn't backtrack my steps. * one of the hoops was to upgrade to mandrake 7.0. by the time i was done trying to deal with helix gnome, i had very nearly a mandrake 7.0 distribution, except maybe something insignificant (to me) like initscripts or something similar. but the helix gnome installer still refused to work. why was i trying so hard to avoid the "real" upgrade to mandrake 7.0? * because my experiences with upgrades of mandrake and to a lesser extent redhat were far from perfect. mandrake loves to shove in new stuff onto your system. my /usr partition (yes, its a seperate partition) always grows by a substantial amount. much more than i'd expect if i were to manually upgrade every package i have installed to the newest version. * i distinctly remember not having any kde stuff installed before i upgraded. mysteriously, i got a boatload of kde stuff installed after upgrading. did i specify this? no. + sidenote: i don't have any problems with kde. i simply don't use it. * upgrade to mandrake 7.0 broke my X configuration. yeah, it left me scratching my head. whatever it did, it didn't write a proper XF86Config and i had to reconfigure. * either helix gnome or mandrake 7 screwed up my gtk theme. * i got a stupid new splash screen before my gnome and sawmill started up. * being somewhat security conscious, i checked the maximum security level. it changed some stuff that annoyed me a whole lot and seemed unnecessarily paranoid to me. e.g. change permissions on my printer so users couldn't print. * it changed many system wide defaults and configurations. sure, it did backup my old confiuguration but in the end i still had to do extra work to get my system back to the way i want it. e.g. it changed my root .bashrc * all my super picky ls colors got screwed up for all users. and fixing it wasn't as simple as changing my .bashrc or .bash_profile. mandrake decided to run colorls in some strange place... nevertheless, think twice doing an upgrade like this and listening to mark :) i thought it was absurd that i had to take some of my old configuration files (saved as *.rpmsave) and throw them back in. mark brings up a good point about your non-RPM stuff. be careful. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of care! So the real question is how did i fix all these annoyances with a mandrake and helix gnome upgrade? i never did. i lived a couple days with the annoyances (it was tough), getting extremely frustrated making my stuff the way it was before and then installed debian (the land of painless upgrades). debian has plenty of painful goodies though... tchow and yes, i whine too much. On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:41:17PM -0700, Mark James Fasheh wrote: > Josh, > I've never really upgraded (or used) Mandrake, but I did a very > similar thing from rh6.0 to rh6.1. Basically, the install went fine, and > the installer simply didn't install any RPMS that were older than what I > had. RPM also saved any configuration files that were to be overwritten to > FILENAME.rpmsave. As far as non-rpm software goes, most of mine worked > fine, though there were some inconsistencies. Things definately needed to > be fixed though, so I would plan to have to do some of that. > --Mark > > On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:50:36PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: > > Hey all . . . I have what once was a version of Mandrake 6.1 (6.2?) > > installed on my machine . . . however, I've upgraded umpteen rpm's etc since > > then and it is currently far from a stock anything. Anyway, I'd like to > > upgrade this beast to a stock mandrake 7.1 or whatever the latest is . . . > > I'm starting to have odd inconsistencies in a lot of the gnome garbage, etc. > > and it'd be nice to sort of start again with a lot of that stuff. (And I > > tried installing Helix, but I have an "unsupported distro" so it barfs.) My > > question is about how "clobbery" the upgrade process is . . . I have a lot > > of customization here, lots of non-rpm software installed, custom init.d > > scripts, sendmail stuff, etc etc etc. I'll back up the whole /etc tree but I > > don't have hours and hours right now to get everything back the way it was > > if I have to manually fix tons of stuff. Does anyone have any experience in > > what the upgrade process actually does and how nasty it could get? > > > > Thanks a bunch . . . > > Josh From dap24@earthlink.net Thu, 18 May 2000 16:11:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:11:17 -0700 From: David Parker dap24@earthlink.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you paste the error message you're getting? David ------- david@neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vicente To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > I get an error at the banner() > what do think is wrong? > BV From gareth@wiked.org Fri, 19 May 2000 01:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:10:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] LUG BOF 5/27/2000 Okay folks I finally got around to throwing together a page for the Birds of a Feather event that we are planning for the 27th of May. http://www.sclug.org/bof/ contains the information, current topics, and the current people who will be coordinating those topics. There is only one person on the list at the moment so we need more people :D Also any new topics let me know. Thanks guys! --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From acidas@hotmail.com Thu, 18 May 2000 21:07:35 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:07:35 PDT From: Alex Setiawan acidas@hotmail.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Greetings hi ucla luggers, i'm a newbie... looking for a version of linux to use... someone suggested mandrake to me... i was wondering if i can borrow a mandrake cd from someone? and is there a good book i can read to learn more? thanx for the help guys... alex ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sakumar@ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 21:18:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:18:56 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC10E.AD32BE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? 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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC10E.AD32BE30-- From jbarratt@ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 21:45:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:45:12 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers It can be, you have to patch the kernel with backport code from the new 2.3 kernel series though. The mouse you are talking about actually has a ps/2 plug on it and will work as a ps/2 device . . . IMHO, that's a far more pleasant way to use it as there's no real benifit to using a USB device under linux yet. I'm about 90% sure there's a driver for that mouse though if you are up to the kernel patching process . . . I can't remember where the backport code page is but if you can't find it I can probably track it down. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Santosh Kumar To: LUG Discussion List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. Thanks, Santosh Kumar From sakumar@ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 21:56:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:56:45 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BFC113.F52E87F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When running in Windows, my mouse wheel will not work when plugged into = the PS/2 mouse port unless I disable the synaptics trackpad for my = notebook. However, when I disable the synaptics touchpad, the mouse = does not work properly in Linux .. motion is very erratic and just plain = wrong oftentimes. So I either have to keep going into the BIOS and toggle the touhcpad = on/off or switch from the USB when running Windows 2000 to the PS/2 port = (via adapter). To do the latter however, I have to shut down the = computer everytime. I'm trying to find an alternative that will prevent me from having to do = the above everytime I switch between OS's. Santosh Kumar ------------------------------------------=20 It can be, you have to patch the kernel with backport code from the new = 2.3 kernel series though. The mouse you are talking about actually has a = ps/2 plug on it and will work as a ps/2 device . . . IMHO, that's a far more pleasant way to use it as there's no real benifit to using a USB device under linux yet. I'm about 90% sure there's a driver for that mouse = though if you are up to the kernel patching process . . . I can't remember = where the backport code page is but if you can't find it I can probably track = it down. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Santosh Kumar To: LUG Discussion List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. Thanks, Santosh Kumar ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BFC113.F52E87F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When running in Windows, my mouse wheel will not = work when=20 plugged into the PS/2 mouse port unless I disable the synaptics trackpad = for my=20 notebook.  However, when I disable the synaptics touchpad, the = mouse does=20 not work properly in Linux .. motion is very erratic and just plain=20 wrong oftentimes.
 
So I either have to keep going into the BIOS and = toggle the=20 touhcpad on/off or switch from the USB when running Windows 2000 to the = PS/2=20 port (via adapter).  To do the latter however, I have to shut down = the=20 computer everytime.
 
I'm trying to find an alternative that will prevent = me from=20 having to do the above everytime I switch between OS's.
 
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the backport code page is but if = you=20 can't find it I can probably track it
down.

    = Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Santosh Kumar
To: LUG=20 Discussion List
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: = [UCLA-LUG]=20 USB Drivers


Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in = Red Hat=20 Linux 6.2?

I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a = USB=20 connection.

Thanks,
Santosh=20 Kumar

------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BFC113.F52E87F0-- From sakumar@ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 21:59:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:59:57 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Setting Up an SMB share in Linux This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFC114.67E830C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do you setup a SMB (windows networking compatible) share (with = password) in Red Hat Linux? Basically, I want to be able to access the files on my Linux Computer = over the network from my Windows 2000 machine. Also, is there a way I can get Linux to access files on my Windows = machine via SMB? Thanks, Santosh Kumar ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFC114.67E830C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How do you setup a SMB (windows networking = compatible) share=20 (with password) in Red Hat Linux?
 
Basically, I want to be able to access the files on = my Linux=20 Computer over the network from my Windows 2000 machine.
 
Also, is there a way I can get Linux to access files = on my=20 Windows machine via SMB?
 
Thanks,
Santosh Kumar
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFC114.67E830C0-- From jbarratt@ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 22:07:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:07:08 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Well, according to http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ your boy is supported. To put USB support into your kernel go here: http://www.linux-usb.org/ If this linux box is for 111 you might have probs because the kernel patches might just be for the latest versions . . . not quite sure. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Santosh Kumar To: LUG Discussion List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers When running in Windows, my mouse wheel will not work when plugged into the PS/2 mouse port unless I disable the synaptics trackpad for my notebook. However, when I disable the synaptics touchpad, the mouse does not work properly in Linux .. motion is very erratic and just plain wrong oftentimes. So I either have to keep going into the BIOS and toggle the touhcpad on/off or switch from the USB when running Windows 2000 to the PS/2 port (via adapter). To do the latter however, I have to shut down the computer everytime. I'm trying to find an alternative that will prevent me from having to do the above everytime I switch between OS's. Santosh Kumar ------------------------------------------ It can be, you have to patch the kernel with backport code from the new 2.3 kernel series though. The mouse you are talking about actually has a ps/2 plug on it and will work as a ps/2 device . . . IMHO, that's a far more pleasant way to use it as there's no real benifit to using a USB device under linux yet. I'm about 90% sure there's a driver for that mouse though if you are up to the kernel patching process . . . I can't remember where the backport code page is but if you can't find it I can probably track it down. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Santosh Kumar To: LUG Discussion List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. Thanks, Santosh Kumar From witten@linux.ucla.edu Thu, 18 May 2000 22:22:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:22:03 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:07:08PM -0700, Josh Barratt wrote: > Well, according to http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ your boy is supported. > > To put USB support into your kernel go here: http://www.linux-usb.org/ > If this linux box is for 111 you might have probs because the kernel patches > might just be for the latest versions . . . not quite sure. He's running 2.2.14 for everyday use, and the old Redhat 6.0 kernel for CS111, so the USB backport patch should work fine on the newer kernel. -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 01:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers On Thu, 18 May 2000, Santosh Kumar wrote: > When running in Windows, my mouse wheel will not work when plugged into >the PS/2 mouse port unless I disable the synaptics trackpad for my >notebook. However, when I disable the synaptics touchpad, the mouse does >not work properly in Linux .. motion is very erratic and just plain wrong >oftentimes. Just a though, but that erratic movement could be due to a mis-identified mouse in the X configuration. The intellimouse has it's own protocol. In my "Pointer" section in my /etc/X11/XF86Config, the protocol setting is actually "IntelliMouse". When it was set to "IMPS/2" I would get erratic/wrong movement. (My mouse is a simple intellimouse, without the infrared, radar detectors, and nuclear shielding, but with luck the protocol is the same, and you won't have to muck with kernel patches :) Dimi From kodiak Fri, 19 May 2000 01:30:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:30:16 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Greetings you can buy a mandrake 7.0 cd from me (cheap). I have two left over from the last installfest. On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:07:35PM -0700, Alex Setiawan wrote: > hi ucla luggers, > > i'm a newbie... looking for a version of linux to use... someone suggested > mandrake to me... i was wondering if i can borrow a mandrake cd from > someone? and is there a good book i can read to learn more? thanx for the > help guys... > > alex From erichu_linux@hotmail.com Fri, 19 May 2000 09:45:48 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:45:48 PDT From: Eric Hu erichu_linux@hotmail.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] pppd Hi,guys When I type pppd as root at RedHat 6.1(completely installed), it shows the following message: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any secret (password) which would let it use and IP address. I configured the ppp by using linuxconf and dialup configuation tool and neither of them worked. I really need some help to use linux at home. Thanks. -Eric ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 10:11:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:11:23 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:18:56PM -0700, Santosh Kumar wrote: > Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? >=20 > I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. Alan Cox just put together rpms for redhat with the USB support built into the kernel. You can get them here: ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/alan/USB/RPMS/ It would save you the step of patching and recompiling. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group Co-Founder http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5JXW74U3i4m+7U54RATjlAKCRpglxFCrU2WmjEIKyciRhKXBY3ACeK++p AtrZ3cMVX2a89lACA25nwX0= =MpdM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From sweglein@pacbell.net Fri, 19 May 2000 10:19:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:19:41 -0700 From: Steve Weglein sweglein@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Erik Hovland wrote: > I use Mandrake 7 with 2.2.14. Do you think the rpms mentioned would be compatible even though they are made for redHat 6.2 ? Thanks Steve > Alan Cox just put together rpms for redhat with the USB support built > into the kernel. You can get them here: > ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/alan/USB/RPMS/ From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 11:01:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:01:09 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:19:41AM -0700, Steve Weglein wrote: > I use Mandrake 7 with 2.2.14. Do you think the rpms mentioned would be > compatible even though they are made for redHat 6.2 ? I have no idea. In fact the thought is rather scary. See if the mandrake 7.1 beta rpms have usb instead. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group Co-Founder http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg "Your bastard child of a network has grown up, gone to counseling and doesn't want to talk to you anymore." - shupe --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5JYFk4U3i4m+7U54RATUiAKCEfP+InOHWM0NRWd9LUdOyyqmhbgCeIGML zWAfDL8/HkiJzjV5A/p9SVE= =kB4L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c-- From larva@lillith.mit.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 17:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Helsley larva@lillith.mit.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tux On Tue, 16 May 2000, Howard Kim wrote: > it came with a cool tux figurine. The only bad thing is that it says > Corel Linux across his chest. I hope there is one out there without > advertising. Well, whoever finds one, be sure to post the info to the list. I'm kinda interested.. From dave@fire.csua.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 15:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lee dave@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Promise Ultra 66 problem Hi guys, My hard drive is attached to a promise ultra dma 66 controller that isn't recognized by my Red Hat software. How can I get a 2.2.x kernel installed and working without reverting to a 33 controller? I can't install the newest kernel versions yet because of a class I'm taking. Thanks, Dave From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 15:32:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:32:02 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Promise Ultra 66 problem --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0700, David Lee wrote: > Hi guys, >=20 > My hard drive is attached to a promise ultra dma 66 controller that isn't > recognized by my Red Hat software.=20 >=20 > How can I get a 2.2.x kernel installed and working without reverting to a > 33 controller? I can't install the newest kernel versions yet because > of a class I'm taking. Didn't somebody have this same problem about 2-3 weeks ago? Anyone know if they solved it? I posted a link to the udma howto in the LDP. But I have no idea if it was helpful. Here is hoping it is: http://linux.usc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA-5.html E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group Co-Founder http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5JcDi4U3i4m+7U54RAab1AJwKl2+xXvkrVjInYETzoEG2ZAmCvgCdHinG h0AE1qmTKe43eawpd0myQkw= =9Mky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --V88s5gaDVPzZ0KCq-- From brian@mbi.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 15:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:33:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Vicente brian@mbi.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script the message reads after I tried your suggestions: :command not found :command not found :command not found :command not found :command not found '/superapache.sh: syntax error near unexpected token `{ '/superapache.sh: ./superapache.sh: line 23: `banner() { Hope that helps. BV " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." - T.H. Huxley - "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." - Benjamin Franklin - On Thu, 18 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for > example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you > paste the error message you're getting? > > David > > ------- > david@neongoat.com > www.neongoat.com > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > ------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Vicente > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > > > > I get an error at the banner() > > what do think is wrong? > > BV > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From david@neongoat.com Fri, 19 May 2000 15:46:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:46:01 -0700 From: David Parker david@neongoat.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you paste the error message you're getting? David ------- david@neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vicente To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > I get an error at the banner() > what do think is wrong? > BV > At 05:42 PM 5/15/00 -0700, you wrote: From brian@mbi.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Vicente brian@mbi.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script Tried that and sent the error. I'm using bash. Enjoy, BV " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." - T.H. Huxley - "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." - Benjamin Franklin - On Fri, 19 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for > example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you > paste the error message you're getting? > > David > > ------- > david@neongoat.com > www.neongoat.com > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > ------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Vicente > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > > > > I get an error at the banner() > > what do think is wrong? > > BV > > At 05:42 PM 5/15/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From david@neongoat.com Fri, 19 May 2000 15:49:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:49:18 -0700 From: David Parker david@neongoat.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script Whoops, sorry about that last reply (shouldn't hold down control while i'm typing :) Maybe the script has DOS newlines instead of UNIX newlines... try opening it up in the joe editor and see if there are wierd bold 'M' characters at the end of the lines. If so, try cleaning it up using dos2unix or an equivalent. David ------- david@neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vicente To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > the message reads after I tried your suggestions: > :command not found > :command not found > :command not found > :command not found > :command not found > '/superapache.sh: syntax error near unexpected token `{ > '/superapache.sh: ./superapache.sh: line 23: `banner() { > > Hope that helps. > BV > > " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." > - T.H. Huxley - > > > > "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." > - Benjamin Franklin - > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > > > Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for > > example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you > > paste the error message you're getting? > > > > David > > > > ------- > > david@neongoat.com > > www.neongoat.com > > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > > ------- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Vicente > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > > > > > > > I get an error at the banner() > > > what do think is wrong? > > > BV > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From brian@mbi.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Vicente brian@mbi.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script No weird characters that I can see... " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." - T.H. Huxley - "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." - Benjamin Franklin - On Fri, 19 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > Whoops, sorry about that last reply (shouldn't hold down control while i'm > typing :) Maybe the script has DOS newlines instead of UNIX newlines... try > opening it up in the joe editor and see if there are wierd bold 'M' characters > at the end of the lines. If so, try cleaning it up using dos2unix or an > equivalent. > > David > > ------- > david@neongoat.com > www.neongoat.com > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > ------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Vicente > To: > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > > > > the message reads after I tried your suggestions: > > :command not found > > :command not found > > :command not found > > :command not found > > :command not found > > '/superapache.sh: syntax error near unexpected token `{ > > '/superapache.sh: ./superapache.sh: line 23: `banner() { > > > > Hope that helps. > > BV > > > > " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." > > - T.H. Huxley - > > > > > > > > "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." > > - Benjamin Franklin - > > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > > > > > Hmm, which shell are you running? If you're using a c-ish shell (tcsh for > > > example), try running 'bash ./superapache.sh'. If that doesn't work, can you > > > paste the error message you're getting? > > > > > > David > > > > > > ------- > > > david@neongoat.com > > > www.neongoat.com > > > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > > > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Brian Vicente > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] super-apache install script > > > > > > > > > > I get an error at the banner() > > > > what do think is wrong? > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From sweglein@pacbell.net Fri, 19 May 2000 16:56:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:56:57 -0700 From: Steve Weglein sweglein@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Erik Hovland wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:19:41AM -0700, Steve Weglein wrote: > > I use Mandrake 7 with 2.2.14. Do you think the rpms mentioned would be > > compatible even though they are made for redHat 6.2 ? > > I have no idea. In fact the thought is rather scary. See if the > mandrake 7.1 beta rpms have usb instead. > I was thinking the same......but hoping for different. Will look into the betas Thanks steve From sweglein@pacbell.net Fri, 19 May 2000 16:56:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:56:45 -0700 From: Steve Weglein sweglein@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Erik Hovland wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:19:41AM -0700, Steve Weglein wrote: > > I use Mandrake 7 with 2.2.14. Do you think the rpms mentioned would be > > compatible even though they are made for redHat 6.2 ? > > I have no idea. In fact the thought is rather scary. See if the > mandrake 7.1 beta rpms have usb instead. > I was thinking the same......but hoping for different. Will look into the betas Thanks steve From witten@linux.ucla.edu Fri, 19 May 2000 17:40:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:40:43 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Promise Ultra 66 problem On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0700, David Lee wrote: > Hi guys, > > My hard drive is attached to a promise ultra dma 66 controller that isn't > recognized by my Red Hat software. > > How can I get a 2.2.x kernel installed and working without reverting to a > 33 controller? I can't install the newest kernel versions yet because > of a class I'm taking. Mandrake 7.1 beta 2 supports UDMA 66. Once you install that, you can compile any other kernel version that is needed for your class. > > Thanks, > Dave -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From n_nelson@pacbell.net Fri, 19 May 2000 18:31:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:31:56 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Promise Ultra 66 problem David Lee wrote: ---- My hard drive is attached to a promise ultra dma 66 controller that isn't recognized by my Red Hat software. How can I get a 2.2.x kernel installed and working without reverting to a 33 controller? I can't install the newest kernel versions yet because of a class I'm taking. ---- It _is_ an interesting problem. Web sources for the solution can be found by searching on ATA66. Also a very good way in Windows is to download every (many thousands) of news articles in Linux hardware type newsgroups using Outlook Express which has a body text search function (which for some reason does not seem to be working at the moment). There will be several dozen related articles. Some useful web pages are: http://linux.usc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA-5.html http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA.html However from the perspective of having done this on my Dell this last week about a dozen times: (1) Follow the RedHat 6.2 install sequence to the point where you select the Install Options (p. 36 in the _Installation Guide_). Entering _Next_ on this screen is where my installation was failing. (2) On my computer, I exited the Install Options screen by using ALTCTL-F2. This put me at the bash prompt. Enter 'cat /proc/pci > temp.txt' at the bash prompt. This will list your pci devices to a memory file called temp.txt. I had to pipe the output of the cat command to a file because there were so many devices that the Promise information listed off of the screen before I could see it. (3) Use the _less_ command to list the temp.txt to the screen one page at a time until the Promise information is listed. It should look similar to the following Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology Unknown device Vendor id=105a Device id = 4d38 Medium devsel. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency 64. I/O at 0x10a0 [0x10a1] I/O at 0x1094 [0x1095] I/O at ... I/O at ... I/O at ... (4) Copy down the first two addresses of the five listed. These are my computer's addresses and yours are expected to be different. If you only have one hard drive (my case) you will only need to use the first row. If you have two drives, ide2 and ide3, you will need to use the first two rows. Add 2 to the last number of each address in the rows used to obtain, in my case, the following boot command: linux ide2=0x10a0,0x10a3 ide3=0x1094,0x1097 Since my computer only uses ide2 (one drive) I can leave ide3 off and use only linux ide2=0x10a0,0x10a3 (5) But to enter this command, you will need to reboot your computer and at the very first prompt (boot:) that asks what installation program to use (GUI etc., see p. 23 in the _Installation Guide_) enter the appropriate linux command above. This sequence is very similar to the ``What if the IDE CD-ROM Was Not Found" sequence on p. 29 of the _Installation Guide_. At this point the installation will proceed normally. In the Custom installation (I ended up installing everything under the Custom installation procedure including dual boot with Windows) you can enter the above _Kernel parameters:_ as shown on p. 52 of the _Installation Guide_ but without the `linux' portion; i.e.: ide2=0x10a0,0x10a3 ide3=0x1094,0x1097 There should be a way to update the Kernel parameters after you are logged in, but I did not use that method. If you do not enter these as default parameters for LILO, you will need to enter them each time you boot. The result works well but is not optimized for ATA66. Kernel updates can be found as a link from the above RedHat web page. To me, performing this update is a minor issue at the moment. Neil Nelson n_nelson@pacbell.net From acidas@hotmail.com Fri, 19 May 2000 20:26:08 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:26:08 PDT From: Alex Setiawan acidas@hotmail.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Help with Installation i keep on getting this message when i install mandrake 7.0: in second stage install _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 Friday May 19 20:26:02 2000 Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 at /usr/bin/perl-install/my_gtk.pm line 139 ... it happens at the second stage of installation... any help would be appreciated... thanx... alex ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From todd@mrball.net Fri, 19 May 2000 22:32:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:32:07 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . Mark James Fasheh wrote: > www.rpm.org that could be of use. Another good thing is to just re-edit the > .spec file that comes with a SRPM (assuming it exists, and you don't like > the default setup). I was really intending to point that question at archives which don't come with a spec file. RPMS and SRPMS always seem to be a version or two behind what I like to run, so to make my own rpm from a tarball, I'd need to create my own spec file. Am I making sense? Looking over what I wrote, it seems kind of circular to me. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From todd@mrball.net Fri, 19 May 2000 22:39:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:39:16 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Promise Ultra 66 problem David Lee wrote: > How can I get a 2.2.x kernel installed and working without reverting to a > 33 controller? I can't install the newest kernel versions yet because > of a class I'm taking. I don't know your particular situation, but what does the teacher care if you run a development kernel pre5 or similar? Unless you're doing core kernel coding... Just installing the kernel is pretty easy. It doesn't have to be the default kernel either. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From kodiak Fri, 19 May 2000 23:06:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:06:27 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Help with Installation I'll assume that you no longer need to buy a CD from me. It appears you might be having problems with your video card. Check the mandrake website about support for you video card. The card might be supported, just not for the install of mandrake 7.0. However if you card is not supported, chances are you can still install linux without X. If this is what you want, then there should be options during bootup from the cd for a text install. tchow On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 08:26:08PM -0700, Alex Setiawan wrote: > i keep on getting this message when i install mandrake 7.0: > > in second stage install > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > Friday May 19 20:26:02 2000 Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 at > /usr/bin/perl-install/my_gtk.pm line 139 > ... > > it happens at the second stage of installation... any help would be > appreciated... thanx... > > alex > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Sat, 20 May 2000 00:33:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:33:59 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tux Howard Kim wrote: > > Anyone know where I can get a cool tux figurine that is not stuffed > (i.e. a stuff animal doll). My friend got a copy of Corel Linux and > it came with a cool tux figurine. The only bad thing is that it says > Corel Linux across his chest. I hope there is one out there without > advertising. > > Thanks for the help, > Howard Sounds like a Gimp job to me. John From uzi@linuxcare.com Sat, 20 May 2000 00:10:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:10:38 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tux * John Wenger [000519 23:49]: > Howard Kim wrote: > > Anyone know where I can get a cool tux figurine that is not stuffed > > (i.e. a stuff animal doll). My friend got a copy of Corel Linux and > > it came with a cool tux figurine. The only bad thing is that it says > > Corel Linux across his chest. I hope there is one out there without > > advertising. > > Sounds like a Gimp job to me. No way? Here I thought the GIMP was a graphics editor... but you're saying it now has the ability to alter outside of the box? I've just congratulated Manish, the GIMP maintainer (who lives with me)... ... I'm getting a blank stare... oh well... I guess not. It *did* sound too good to be true... -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From mfasheh Sat, 20 May 2000 00:29:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:29:17 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Upgrading questions . . . > I was really intending to point that question at archives which don't come > with a spec file. RPMS and SRPMS always seem to be a version or two behind > what I like to run, so to make my own rpm from a tarball, I'd need to create > my own spec file. Am I making sense? Looking over what I wrote, it seems > kind of circular to me. Your right, my point is circular. I really must proof read stuff before I send it out :) What I meant to say is that you can just grab the spec from and older version of the package, and easily update it to work with the newest ones. There are extremely few packages that don't have _any_ RPMS for _any_ versions of the package for _any_ distro. --Mark -- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From kiev78@pacbell.net Fri, 19 May 2000 23:20:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:20:44 -0700 From: Denis kiev78@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Help with Installation > > in second stage install > > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > > Friday May 19 20:26:02 2000 Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 at > > /usr/bin/perl-install/my_gtk.pm line 139 > > ... I get a feeling that this is what happened to me when i was installing redhat on a laptop. the problem was that i needed to do some tweaking in order to get the X running. I know nothing about installation of Mandrake, but the idea is to install everything except X as was suggested in earlier email, and then go get lots of coffee and start playing with the X settings to get the card to be recognized ( provided that it is supported of course... and maybe even if it is not 'officially' supported) hope that helped.... denis From dcrudup@pacbell.net Sat, 20 May 2000 14:44:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:44:10 -0700 From: DeTavio Crudup dcrudup@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] pppd Eric Hu wrote: > Hi,guys > When I type pppd as root at RedHat 6.1(completely installed), it shows the > following message: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but > I couldn't find any secret (password) which would let it use and IP address. > I configured the ppp by using linuxconf and dialup configuation tool and > neither of them worked. I really need some help to use linux at home. > Thanks. > > -Eric > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux connect manually using minicom. once your connection is made suspend minicom without hanging up. then start pppd with the correct params. see if that gets you going Travis From sakumar@ucla.edu Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:56 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Closing Notebook Screen Disables Ethernet When I close the screen my notebook system, Linux seems to go into standby. Everytime it recovers from standby, my ethernet adapter shuts off and I can't use my ethernet card until rebooting the system. I am using Dell's ethernet driver Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Santosh Kumar From witten@linux.ucla.edu Sun, 21 May 2000 14:37:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:37:08 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] [LUG-Announce] Meeting on Monday --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is just a reminder that the UCLA Linux Users Group will be holding a general discussion meeting this Monday, May 22 at 6:00 p.m. in Boelter 3811. Come prepared to talk about any Linux issues, questions, or news topics. Or just drop by to listen. We did this sort of thing at the last meeting, and had some really good conversations. Oh, and we will be making a little announcement concerning our linux.ucla.edu web and FTP server. As always, see http://www.linux.ucla.edu for more info. --=20 Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5KFcEzPvAlWmo2GYRAWNjAJ9HF5fd8e92w3WaqiFuBMsLCZ5jjgCgqxT2 GJhqzjGkIvGLZiCLE22KjQw= =ihaQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- _______________________________________________ UCLALUG Announce mailing list - Announce@linux.ucla.edu http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/announce From ilan@fonz.net Sun, 21 May 2000 01:38:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:38:43 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers > Santosh Kumar wrote: > > Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? > > I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. > > Thanks, > Santosh Kumar the Intellieye mice come with USB -> PS2 adapters.... if you use that it shuold work From jbarratt@ucla.edu Sun, 21 May 2000 22:23:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:23:54 -0700 From: Josh Barratt jbarratt@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers Read the thread :) Santosh was trying to get USB working because when he uses PS/2 he has to go into the bios and disable the trackpad . . . that was my first suggestion :) Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Ilan Rabinovitch To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] USB Drivers > > Santosh Kumar wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if USB is supported at all in Red Hat Linux 6.2? > > > > I have a Microsoft Intellimouse w/IntelliEye with a USB connection. > > > > Thanks, > > Santosh Kumar > > > the Intellieye mice come with USB -> PS2 adapters.... if you use that it > shuold work > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From gareth@wiked.org Mon, 22 May 2000 06:03:49 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 06:03:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org Subject: [UCLA-LUG] BOF Okay folks, just a reminder that there is a Birds of a Feather session planned this Saturday, http://www.sclug.org/bof/, we have quite a few topics lined up but we still need some coordinators for alot of them. Email me privately if you wish to coordinate a topic. Thanks guys. --- Gareth J. Greenaway gareth@wiked.org From uzi@linuxcare.com Mon, 22 May 2000 01:06:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:06:58 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Closing Notebook Screen Disables Ethernet * Santosh Kumar [000521 11:16]: > When I close the screen my notebook system, Linux seems to go into standby. > Everytime it recovers from standby, my ethernet adapter shuts off and I > can't use my ethernet card until rebooting the system. > > I am using Dell's ethernet driver > > Anyone know how to fix this? Well, given the description, your ethernet card is a PCMCIA one... which means it's a module and can be unloaded and reloaded. Try doing that... or even more simply, just try restarting networking on the machine... do a "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" (or the like for whatever distribution you're using) on your machine and see if it works... -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From sakumar@ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 08:36:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:36:56 -0700 From: Santosh Kumar sakumar@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] RE: Closing Notebook Screen Disables Ethernet Joshua, What would the command be for Red Hat Linux 6.2 ? Thanks, Santosh Kumar ----------------------- Well, given the description, your ethernet card is a PCMCIA one... which means it's a module and can be unloaded and reloaded. Try doing that... or even more simply, just try restarting networking on the machine... do a "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" (or the like for whatever distribution you're using) on your machine and see if it works... -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From bvicente@fffc.com Mon, 22 May 2000 10:07:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:07:22 -0700 From: Brian Vicente bvicente@fffc.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] pppd try kppp On Sat, 20 May 2000, you wrote: > Eric Hu wrote: > > > Hi,guys > > When I type pppd as root at RedHat 6.1(completely installed), it shows the > > following message: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but > > I couldn't find any secret (password) which would let it use and IP address. > > I configured the ppp by using linuxconf and dialup configuation tool and > > neither of them worked. I really need some help to use linux at home. > > Thanks. > > > > -Eric > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > > connect manually using minicom. once your connection is made suspend minicom > without hanging up. then start pppd with the correct params. see if that gets > you going > > Travis > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From howardk@ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 10:55:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:55:37 -0700 From: Howard Kim howardk@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HELP, I lost my DNS Help please. I seem to have lost my DNS lookup. I am on a static IP address and all that stuff is working fine. From what I can tell, my network stuff is fine, it is just resolving domain names that is not working. Here is what I can tell so far. I can ping IP address no problem, but cannot ping the domain name My httpd is working fine I can telnet into my machine I don't run a dns server locally so I do all my dns lookups on the server I am connected to. I checked my dns setting under linuxconf and the ip address is correct. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Howard RH 6.2 From dtran@ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 10:56:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:56:50 -0700 From: Tran, Daniel dtran@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HELP, I lost my DNS check /etc/resolv.conf file to make sure your nameserver x.x.x.x is in there. You can have multiple nameserver statement. -----Original Message----- From: Howard Kim [mailto:howardk@ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:56 AM To: Linux Users Group Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HELP, I lost my DNS Help please. I seem to have lost my DNS lookup. I am on a static IP address and all that stuff is working fine. From what I can tell, my network stuff is fine, it is just resolving domain names that is not working. Here is what I can tell so far. I can ping IP address no problem, but cannot ping the domain name My httpd is working fine I can telnet into my machine I don't run a dns server locally so I do all my dns lookups on the server I am connected to. I checked my dns setting under linuxconf and the ip address is correct. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Howard RH 6.2 _______________________________________________ UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From mfasheh Mon, 22 May 2000 11:42:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:42:09 -0700 From: Mark James Fasheh mfasheh Subject: [UCLA-LUG] HELP, I lost my DNS I'm assuming you're doing this from anderson :) For some reason, my box there (rio) isn't resolving from 164.67.163.100. Try putting some more DNS entries in there (you can have more than one). For example, I also have 164.67.128.11 in my resolv.conf. --Mark On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 10:55:37AM -0700, Howard Kim wrote: > Help please. I seem to have lost my DNS lookup. I am on a static > IP address and all that stuff is working fine. From what I can tell, > my network stuff is fine, it is just resolving domain names that is > not working. Here is what I can tell so far. > > I can ping IP address no problem, but cannot ping the domain name > My httpd is working fine > I can telnet into my machine > > I don't run a dns server locally so I do all my dns lookups on the > server I am connected to. I checked my dns setting under linuxconf > and the ip address is correct. Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. > > Howard > RH 6.2 > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux -- If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. President, UCLA LUG Mark James Fasheh http://www.exothermic.org From kiev78@pacbell.net Mon, 22 May 2000 12:13:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:13:11 -0700 From: Denis kiev78@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso hello, where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images, and most importantly instructions on what to do with them, as i never burned a distro cd. (i looked on redhat's site, but half of it seems to be down, and i cant find what i am looking for) thank you very much. denis From Luis@paycom.net Mon, 22 May 2000 12:28:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:28:05 -0700 From: Luis Luis@paycom.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso Hello there denis, you know what you should do is just burn the cd. after that create your self a boot disk . that should work thats what i did to mind. C At 12:13 PM 5/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >hello, > >where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images, and most importantly >instructions on what >to do with them, as i never burned a distro cd. >(i looked on redhat's site, but half of it seems to be down, and i cant >find what i am >looking for) > >thank you very much. > >denis > > >_______________________________________________ >UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu >http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From dtran@ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 12:27:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:27:51 -0700 From: Tran, Daniel dtran@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso just burn a cd with the iso image you downloaded. If your machine can boot from CD then you can boot off that CD right away. Otherwise, create boot diskette and you should be ok you can get the distro from sunsite http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat-6.2/iso/ Daniel - dtran@ucla.edu -----Original Message----- From: Denis [mailto:kiev78@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:13 PM To: linux@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso hello, where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images, and most importantly instructions on what to do with them, as i never burned a distro cd. (i looked on redhat's site, but half of it seems to be down, and i cant find what i am looking for) thank you very much. denis _______________________________________________ UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From uzi@linuxcare.com Mon, 22 May 2000 12:29:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:29:58 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] RE: Closing Notebook Screen Disables Ethernet * Santosh Kumar [000522 09:23]: > What would the command be for Red Hat Linux 6.2 ? Basically what I gave you before should work: > > "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" Of course, you need to run that as root. Other than that, you might need some general experimentation. Good luck. :) -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From uzi@linuxcare.com Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:27 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso * Denis [000522 12:15]: > where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images, and most importantly > instructions on what to do with them, as i never burned a distro cd. > (i looked on redhat's site, but half of it seems to be down, and i > cant find what i am looking for) See http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html for a list of official mirrors. Any of them will do... just find one that you think is near you and with a fast connection. For the second question, will you be burning using Linux or what? -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From kodiak Mon, 22 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700 From: tchow kodiak Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso You can find some good instructions in my cd writing tutorial here: http://linux.ucla.edu/guides/cheatsheet.php3 tchow On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:13:11PM -0700, Denis wrote: > hello, > > where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images, and most importantly > instructions on what > to do with them, as i never burned a distro cd. > (i looked on redhat's site, but half of it seems to be down, and i cant > find what i am > looking for) > > thank you very much. > > denis > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux From kiev78@pacbell.net Mon, 22 May 2000 12:54:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:54:42 -0700 From: Denis kiev78@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso > >For the second question, will you be burning using Linux or what? > thanks to all those who replied. I will be using NT. i think, since we dont have any machine with burner running THE operating system :) I am just going to d/l the ISO and burn it. The reason I asked for instructions is because somehow I remembered trying to do something similar with debian, and coming accross some instructions that required to d/l files, and then do all sorts of manipulations on them... but now that i think about it, maybe they were just telling me how to make an actual ISO. dont remember now. thanks denis From witten@linux.ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:55 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:13:11PM -0700, Denis wrote: > hello, > > where can i get the redhat 6.2 iso images http://www.linux.ucla.edu/software/ > > thank you very much. > > denis -- Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt From Luis@paycom.net Mon, 22 May 2000 13:41:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:41:17 -0700 From: Luis Luis@paycom.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql I have a question for you guys out there. I been trying to find a mysql book from Sam's. Does anyone know where i could find this book when it comes out. The book has not come out , but in most homepage that I found they say that its out. But if anyone could help me out by telling me what place gets the book first. Thank Luis From uzi@linuxcare.com Mon, 22 May 2000 13:52:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:52:03 -0700 From: Joshua Uziel uzi@linuxcare.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] redhat iso * Denis [000522 13:45]: > I am just going to d/l the ISO and burn it. The reason I asked for > instructions is because somehow I remembered trying to do something similar > with debian, and coming accross some instructions that required to d/l files, > and then do all sorts of manipulations on them... but now that i think > about it, maybe they were just telling me how to make an actual ISO. dont > remember now. Yeah, if you grab a ready-made ISO image, then it should be bootable and ready to be burned already. Just burn it, and install as if you were using a purchased CD... because for the most part, that's exactly what the ISO images available are. -- Joshua Uziel, Senior Linux Consultant, Linuxcare, Inc. 415.354.4878 tel, 415.701.7457 fax uzi@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution. From dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimi Shahbaz dimator@fire.csua.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql I assume you mean: Sams Teach Yourself Mysql in 21 Days (Sams Teach Yourself in 21 Days) which is due June 13. Try looking on www.bestbookbuys.com Most sites will let you pre-order the book, and they'll ship it when it's available. On Mon, 22 May 2000, Luis wrote: > I have a question for you guys out there. I been trying to find a mysql > book from Sam's. Does anyone know where i could find this book when it > comes out. The book has not come out , but in most homepage that I found > they say that its out. But if anyone could help me out by telling me what > place gets the book first. > From ehovland@zig.usc.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 14:22:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:22:54 -0700 From: Erik Hovland ehovland@zig.usc.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:41:17PM -0700, Luis wrote: > I have a question for you guys out there. I been trying to find a mysql= =20 > book from Sam's. Does anyone know where i could find this book when it= =20 > comes out. Consider getting the O'Reilly's mysql book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/msql/ You can get it right now from bookpool (www.bookpool.com) on sale at 44% off. E --=20 Erik Hovland USC Linux User Group Co-Founder http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ GnuPG public key: http://sclug.usc.edu/~ehovland/ehovland.gpg --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5KaUt4U3i4m+7U54RARjfAJ9M3g4AOBedmR4x6PaB4Vs1NBHtPwCfVr/K 6gLYx5540xrjLps3Q+hCtyg= =IER9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk-- From david@neongoat.com Mon, 22 May 2000 16:10:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:10:42 -0700 From: David Parker david@neongoat.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql I also suggest getting the o'reilly book "MySQL & mSQL"... I got it a while ago and it has some very good material; it's also good as a quick SQL reference. In general, I've found that O'Reilly books are written much better than Sams. David ------- david@neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Hovland To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql > >Consider getting the O'Reilly's mysql book: >http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/msql/ > >You can get it right now from bookpool (www.bookpool.com) on sale at >44% off. > From JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Mon, 22 May 2000 17:18:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:18:59 -0700 From: John Wenger JohnWenger@EarthLink.Net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Tux Joshua Uziel wrote: > > * John Wenger [000519 23:49]: > > Howard Kim wrote: > > > Anyone know where I can get a cool tux figurine that is not stuffed > > > (i.e. a stuff animal doll). My friend got a copy of Corel Linux and > > > it came with a cool tux figurine. The only bad thing is that it says > > > Corel Linux across his chest. I hope there is one out there without > > > advertising. > > > > Sounds like a Gimp job to me. > > No way? Here I thought the GIMP was a graphics editor... but you're > saying it now has the ability to alter outside of the box? > > I've just congratulated Manish, the GIMP maintainer (who lives with > me)... > > ... I'm getting a blank stare... oh well... I guess not. It *did* > sound too good to be true... Yipes! My error. My mind read "figure" instead of "figurine". Nevermind. Three-D Systems makes the products you need to make solid models from 3D CAD image files. Quite pricey though. Slick process. Something like stalagmite building with a laser that can transform a part of a pool of special liquid into a solid. Put the model platform one layer beneath the surface of the pool, run the laser to solidify this layer of your 3D CAD model of your desired solid model, sink the platform one more layer deep, and repeat the process for the next layer until done. Then make a casting so you can make the model out of metal, etc. John From justin@cs.ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 16:25:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:25:51 -0700 From: Justin justin@cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Setting Up an SMB share in Linux On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:59:57PM -0700, Santosh Kumar wrote: >How do you setup a SMB (windows networking compatible) share (with password) in Red Hat Linux? If you installed SMB support on your linux box then all there is to do is edit /etc/smb.conf. The file has many comments explaining different settings, but you really should just read the documentation. It can be found under /usr/doc/samba-*/ or on their web page http://www.samba.org....there are also GUI's out there if you search freshmeat (http://www.freshmeat.net). > >Basically, I want to be able to access the files on my Linux Computer over the network from my Windows 2000 machine. Totally possible, although I was having problems with Domain Logins for Win2000 beta over the summer, but I don't think you're doing that. > >Also, is there a way I can get Linux to access files on my Windows machine via SMB? sure, smbmount or smbclient. smbmount is like mount -> you're able to "mount" a remote filesystem (i.e. folder or disk) so that it looks like a local directory. smbclient is basically an ftp client for SMB. Check the man pages for syntax. You have to remember to escape special characters or the shell will eat them up: i.e. to connect using smbclient to the SHARE folder on JOE's computer you would type: smbclient "\\\\JOE\\SHARE". Also, if you have not set a password for that share and smb* asks you for one just hit . Good luck. -justin From LYick@ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 18:04:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:04:04 -0700 From: Leo LYick@ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Booting Linux I have two hard drives each with its own operating system. I currently have Win98 on the primary, and Linux on the slave. In order for me to boot to Linux, I have choose to boot using the boot disk option. For my computer at home, I have both operating system on a single hard disk and also use the boot disk to boot Linux. On that computer, Linux boots quickly using the boot disk. On my computer at school, it takes at least five minutes before Linux boots. It seems as though the floppy disk is faulty but I have made three different boot disk and it still boots slowly. Please help. From n_nelson@pacbell.net Mon, 22 May 2000 18:40:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:40:25 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Booting Linux Leo wrote: ---- I have two hard drives each with its own operating system. I currently have Win98 on the primary, and Linux on the slave. In order for me to boot to Linux, I have choose to boot using the boot disk option. For my computer at home, I have both operating system on a single hard disk and also use the boot disk to boot Linux. On that computer, Linux boots quickly using the boot disk. On my computer at school, it takes at least five minutes before Linux boots. It seems as though the floppy disk is faulty but I have made three different boot disk and it still boots slowly. Please help. ---- I used a floppy boot disk when debugging the dual hard-disk boot procedure, and a floppy boot did seem to take unnecessarily long. I am now using Boot Magic from Partition Magic to perform the dual boot function, but there also appears to be a way to select the alternate boot options at the Linux boot prompt. Unless there is some particular reason why a floppy boot is required, I suggest investigating the hard-disk boot options that will provide the fastest boot alternative. Areas of investigation in the hard-disk dual boot alternative are the Master Boot Record (MBR) and the individual boot records for each of the different operating systems. Neil Nelson n_nelson@pacbell.net From n_nelson@pacbell.net Mon, 22 May 2000 19:18:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:18:01 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] GCC rpms After looking through my RedHat 6.2 diskettes and installed system, there does not appear to be a C compiler included. I have no practical experience with C, but it would appear that downloading the GCC rpms from www.codesourcery.com/gcc-snapshots.html and installing those would be a good procedure. Any comments? Neil Nelson n_nelson@pacbell.net From todd@mrball.net Mon, 22 May 2000 19:28:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:28:58 -0700 From: Todd A. Lyons todd@mrball.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] GCC rpms n_nelson@pacbell.net wrote: > > After looking through my RedHat 6.2 diskettes and installed system, > there does not appear to be a C compiler included. I have no If you don't have the c compiler installed (egcs aka gcc), then you also will not have most/all of the required development libraries and headers to use gcc. A quick fix is to cd /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS rpm -ivvh kernel-head* --force rpm -ivvh gcc* --force rpm -ivvh *devel* --force The --force is there just in case one package in the list is already present (which would normally error out and not install the rest). The *devel* is WAY overkill because you really probably only need glibc-devel, but I've had problems with strange includes not being found. After troubleshooting failed compiles and installing a couple of odd development packages, I just installed ALL the devel packages. You can always do them one at a time if you like. I'm unaware if there are more files that need to be added. -- Blue skies... Cannonball http://www.mrball.net * One GUI to rule them all, One GUI to find them * *One GUI to bring them all, and with the blue screen bind them* * In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie. * From justin@cs.ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 19:54:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:54:47 -0700 From: Justin justin@cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] GCC rpms On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:28:58PM -0700, Todd A. Lyons wrote: >n_nelson@pacbell.net wrote: >rpm -ivvh *devel* --force that is 64 devel libraries BTW...here's the list I've got for RH6.1: I've marked ones that you defiately need with an '*' and those you might want with '^', but it all depends on your installation ImageMagick-devel-4.2.9-1.i386.rpm ORBit-devel-0.4.95-2.i386.rpm XFree86-devel-3.3.5-3.i386.rpm Xaw3d-devel-1.3-21.i386.rpm apache-devel-1.3.9-4.i386.rpm audiofile-devel-0.1.9-1.i386.rpm bind-devel-8.2.1-7.i386.rpm cdrecord-devel-1.8a29-2.i386.rpm control-center-devel-1.0.40-2.i386.rpm e2fsprogs-devel-1.15-3.i386.rpm esound-devel-0.2.14-1.i386.rpm faces-devel-1.6.1-17.i386.rpm ^fnlib-devel-0.4-10.i386.rpm freetype-devel-1.2-7.i386.rpm ^gd-devel-1.3-5.i386.rpm image translation I think, optional for php gdbm-devel-1.8.0-2.i386.rpm gedit-devel-0.5.4-3.i386.rpm ^gimp-devel-1.0.4-5.i386.rpm *glib-devel-1.2.5-1.i386.rpm *glibc-devel-2.1.2-11.i386.rpm gmp-devel-2.0.2-10.i386.rpm ^gnome-core-devel-1.0.39-10.i386.rpm these next ones are maybes if your ^gnome-games-devel-1.0.40-2.i386.rpm using gnome, otherwise don't worry ^gnome-libs-devel-1.0.40-1.i386.rpm ^gnome-objc-devel-1.0.2-5.i386.rpm ^gnome-pim-devel-1.0.10-1.i386.rpm gpm-devel-1.17.9-3.i386.rpm ^gtk+-devel-1.2.5-2.i386.rpm gnome/gimp again guile-devel-1.3-7.i386.rpm using guile?..probably not ^imlib-devel-1.9.7-1.i386.rpm used for enlightenment I think inn-devel-2.2.1-1.i386.rpm ^kdelibs-devel-1.1.2-9.i386.rpm kde anyone? kudzu-devel-0.20-1.i386.rpm libghttp-devel-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm libglade-devel-0.6-1.i386.rpm libgr-devel-2.0.13-20.i386.rpm libgtop-devel-1.0.3-1.i386.rpm ^libjpeg-devel-6b-9.i386.rpm these next few are image translation ^libpng-devel-1.0.3-4.i386.rpm if you're not into that sort of thing libtermcap-devel-2.0.8-18.i386.rpm ^libtiff-devel-3.4-6.i386.rpm then they still might be good to have ^libungif-devel-4.1.0-2.i386.rpm ^libxml-devel-1.4.0-1.i386.rpm XML linuxconf-devel-1.16r3.2-2.i386.rpm ^ncurses-devel-4.2-25.i386.rpm ncurses is used for 'make menuconfig' newt-devel-0.50-13.i386.rpm kernel compilation openldap-devel-1.2.7-2.i386.rpm p2c-devel-1.22-3.i386.rpm pciutils-devel-2.0-2.i386.rpm pilot-link-devel-0.9.0-8.i386.rpm postgresql-devel-6.5.2-1.i386.rpm python-devel-1.5.2-7.i386.rpm using python? ^qt-devel-2.0.1-5.i386.rpm this is kde, as is the next one ^qt1x-devel-1.44-4.i386.rpm readline-devel-2.2.1-5.i386.rpm rpm-devel-3.0.3-2.i386.rpm slang-devel-1.2.2-4.i386.rpm sox-devel-12.16-3.i386.rpm svgalib-devel-1.4.0-2.i386.rpm ucd-snmp-devel-4.0.1-4.i386.rpm w3c-libwww-devel-5.2.8-4.i386.rpm xmms-devel-0.9.5-1.i386.rpm ^xpm-devel-3.4k-1.i386.rpm more images -- xpm's are usually icons zlib-devel-1.1.3-5.i386.rpm I'm not an expert on devel-libs but I definately dont use all of that, so it's just my comments...(so take it with a grain of salt). Anyway, good luck with that. I was having the same problem compiling gcc on a Sun Ultra 1...sun's cc compiler keeps crapping out, so I'm having a hard time trying to compile a compiler without a compiler...Anyway, hope this helps -justin From witten@linux.ucla.edu Mon, 22 May 2000 21:36:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:36:38 -0700 From: Dan Helfman witten@linux.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] [LUG-Announce] New disk drive and software mirror --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all of your donations, the UCLALUG was able to scrape together the funds to purchase a new 20 gigabyte disk drive to put in our web/FTP server. What this means for you is that you now have access to a fast, local mirror of all kinds of free software: Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian, Helix Code, and the Linux kernel. For more information, check out our free software section at http://www.linux.ucla.edu/software/ If you've got any suggestions for other software that you would like us to mirror, please let us know by emailing admin@linux.ucla.edu --=20 Dan Helfman UCLA Linux Users Group: http://www.linux.ucla.edu My GnuPG key: http://torsion.org/witten/public-key.txt --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5KgrWzPvAlWmo2GYRAd+WAJ9bftpwFqTManOdnqBP6I5davuCZgCcDaZw L5RBEaXFA9zoqd5Vt9Nxozk= =aoxw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gj572EiMnwbLXET9-- _______________________________________________ UCLALUG Announce mailing list - Announce@linux.ucla.edu http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/announce From ilan@fonz.net Mon, 22 May 2000 22:42:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:42:01 -0700 From: Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@fonz.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] SCSI CARD Hey, Anyone have any experience with the Adaptec 1505 SCSI controller under linux? Im not having much luck getting it to work. Thanks, Ilan From n_nelson@pacbell.net Tue, 23 May 2000 06:38:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:38:45 -0700 From: n_nelson@pacbell.net n_nelson@pacbell.net Subject: [UCLA-LUG] GCC rpms Many thanks to Todd A. Lyons and Justin for their assistance with the GCC rpms. In finding the correct RedHat CD with the rpms as instructed in the emails and preparing to install them, it indicated they were already installed, and then I was able to hunt through the directories and using Query to find the already installed files. Neil Nelson n_nelson@pacbell.net From erichu_linux@hotmail.com Tue, 23 May 2000 10:56:57 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:56:57 PDT From: Eric Hu erichu_linux@hotmail.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) Hi, thinks for the ppp reply although I still didn't work out yet. Now I have another question, that is, how I can mount linux from win98 and vice versa. Thanks. -Eric ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From justin@cs.ucla.edu Tue, 23 May 2000 12:18:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:18:59 -0700 From: Justin justin@cs.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 10:56:57AM -0700, Eric Hu wrote: >Hi, thinks for the ppp reply although I still didn't work out yet. Now I >have another question, that is, how I can mount linux from win98 and vice >versa. Thanks. Mounting Win98 partitions in Linux is cake. As root type: mount -t type /dev/hd.. /mount-point replace type with whatever partition type it is (FAT32 is vfat, and FAT16 is msdos, "Linux" is ext2). replace /dev/hd.. with whatever partition Windows is on. Here's how they're numbered: 1st disk = hda 2nd disk = hdb 3rd disk = hdc ... you get the idea. After that put the partition # from the disk, which will always be 1 if you're talking about C: in Win98. now replace mount-point with a mount point of your choice, you may want to make one like /win (a.k.a mkdir /win). So if Windows is on your Primary Master then you might do: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /win As far as mounting linux onto windows, there is a (beta) program you can get off freshmeat. Search for something like "ext2 and Windows". I'm not really familiar with it, so . -justin From brian@mbi.ucla.edu Tue, 23 May 2000 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Vicente brian@mbi.ucla.edu Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql Go for the "MySQL" from New Riders. It will lead you to nirvana. BV " The Great End of Life is not Knowledge but Action." - T.H. Huxley - "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." - Benjamin Franklin - On Mon, 22 May 2000, David Parker wrote: > I also suggest getting the o'reilly book "MySQL & mSQL"... I got it a while ago > and it has some very good material; it's also good as a quick SQL reference. In > general, I've found that O'Reilly books are written much better than Sams. > > David > > ------- > david@neongoat.com > www.neongoat.com > PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: > 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 > ------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erik Hovland > To: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] Book on Mysql > > > > >Consider getting the O'Reilly's mysql book: > >http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/msql/ > > > >You can get it right now from bookpool (www.bookpool.com) on sale at > >44% off. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From david@neongoat.com Tue, 23 May 2000 16:38:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:38:08 -0700 From: David Parker david@neongoat.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) there are two i know of: fsdext2, which is a VXD that makes your linux partitions appear as normal readonly drives (after running mount.exe), or explore2fs, which shows your linux partitions in an explorer like view and allows you to drag and drop files to your windows harddrive. David ------- david@neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [UCLA-LUG] (no subject) > > As far as mounting linux onto windows, there is a (beta) program you can get > off freshmeat. Search for something like "ext2 and Windows". I'm not really > familiar with it, so . > > -justin > > _______________________________________________ > UCLALUG Linux mailing list - Linux@linux.ucla.edu > http://linux.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux > From ejisjc@hotmail.com Tue, 23 May 2000 19:54:02 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:54:02 PDT From: elliot jordan ejisjc@hotmail.com Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Booting Linux System Commander works real well-50 bucks at Staples. >From: "Leo" >Reply-To: linux@linux.ucla.edu >To: >Subject: [UCLA-LUG] Booting Linux >Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:04:04 -0700 > >I have two hard drives each with its own operating system. I currently >have >Win98 on the primary, and Linux on the slave. In order for me to boot to >Linux, I have choose to boot using the boot disk option. For my computer >at >home, I have both operating system on a single hard disk and also use the >boot disk to boot Linux. On that computer, Linux boots quickly using the >boot disk. On my comput