[UCLA-LUG] The squeaky LUG nuts get the grease

[Mark Fasheh]

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  -- if you don't then civilisation has collapsed, government is no more,
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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 witten@torsion.org wrote:

<snip a whole bunch of stuff one can read from previous e-mails>

> I think this differenence of opinion is the difference between idealism and
> pragmatism. I believe that *even though* dorm residents have all the
> above-mentioned options with which to circumvent the fascist network
> policies, that doesn't mean the fascist network policies are right to begin
> with. You believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that since we have these other
> options outside of the dorm network, we shouldn't really *care* all that
> much about the dorm network policies one way or the other, as long as we can
> circumvent them and get on with our lives.

No, no.  I really think people ought to care about dorm network policies,
especially people living in the dorms.  I only meant to show that the STC
doesn't exactly remove all your 'legal' networking options from you.  And,
for the record, I completely agree with your position on the STC's fascist
policies.  I simply don't think a discussion about them belongs
on this list.  I will be the first person to sign up to help (peacefully)
change the STC's policies -- you already know that.  I just don't want to
involve the entire LUG in it.

> 
> You may be surprised to hear this, Mark, but I actually agree with your main
> premise here. I wear many hats in this world.. one of them is a vocal critic
> of the STC's policies, and another is a LUG member. I don't feel that these
> two roles necessarily have to coincide. The LUG is a Linux Users Group, not
> a Linux Dorm Residents Users Group. So yes, you're right, this isn't a fight
> for the LUG.

I've always known you as a reasonable and rational person (and handy with 
sendmail as well!). I just worried that you might inadvertantly drag the
LUG into a battle which we both agree it shouldn't fight.  Obviously you
don't want to do this, so I suggest that we go to a more appropriate group
(or form one if we need to) in order to resolve this issue.

> 
> Although we agree about the LUG's role in all this, we should agree to
> disagree on whether students should really care about the dorm network
> policies. And because this isn't really a LUG issue at all (other than the
> fact that it occasionally arises on this mailing list), we don't even need
> to worry that we disagree on it. It's not a LUG problem, and so the LUG
> doesn't have to be involved with it.
> 
> As an individual, however, I happen to have strong opinions on the issue of
> dorm network policies. That doesn't mean I'm going to be pushing the LUG to
> partake in any sort of anti-STC agenda. I know where to draw the line
> between my personal beliefs and goals and those of the whole LUG. (I'll
> admit that my initial posting for the proposed LUG fundraiser was perhaps a
> little over-zealous.)

cool.  I'm glad you realized that the fundraiser thing wasn't appropriate.
I don't think it would have made us look very good to the rest of campus.

<snip even more>

> 
> You know, I don't really think I know of anyone with distaste for the LUG
> itself. The STC definitely has developed a strong distaste for Linux users
> in the dorms in general, and part of that's my fault. But the LUG proper
> hasn't really done much at all on this issue except meet once with a few CS
> professors.

I was mainly talking about the STC, so otherwise, I don't think a whole
lot of people dislike us.  Maybe I'm crazy, but sometimes I feel that
there is a bit of a negative attitude towards UCLA on this list.  If this
is so, I'd like to see that change...  Or I could just be crazy :)


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